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Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by Cino, Jan 29, 2021.

  1. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Correct.
    So, in spirit of discussion, and apology for repetition:
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  2. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    Words are a tool and meanings change. I see the issue is that people hesitate when new frames of reference are offered.

    Are you asking if I will not offer Baha'u'llah's Message in my replies on this forum?

    If you are, then no, there would be no purpose for me to be here, that Message is who I want to be. It is no different from you offering from who you want to be, or from anyone else offering from what they want to be.

    I have already said to you that I am not here to convert any person, as it is not I that can influence any soul and thus want or try to.

    Regards Tony
     
  3. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Staff Member

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    Basically, it's your problem if you change the meaning of words for yourself or your group. When interacting with others, though, don't complain if nobody understands you.

    However, if you start changing my words, I object. You deliberately put it as if I forbid you to participate in discussions from your perspective or frame of reference. That is just not true. I asked you not to recruit people to your cause. You can still shine in other ways.
     
  4. Tone Bristow-Stagg

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    What are you asking.

    For me not to hope all people can be united and love each other as one human race, with no predudices?

    Not sure how many times I have to say it is not me that is recruiting, people have their own heart and own choices.

    Regards Tony
     
  5. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    But how, in actual reality? Are people just suddenly going to be good to each other? What makes it viable, beyond being just a nice idea -- and nothing wrong with hoping, of course -- but when I'm basing a whole religion upon it, surely it's not unreasonable to ask practical questions?
     
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    Baha'u'llah has said that there will be a series of convulsions that will test humanity and will culminate in an event that will shake the limbs of all mankind.

    These events will teach us that we need to work together and that we are guided in how to live this life.

    Thus, it will unfold over time as personal choices. As a Baha'i, all I am asked to do is keep offering the choices, in Love and Wisdom, there is no compulsion in Religion.

    I hope you will remain safe and happy in these times. We will face many challenges in the years ahead.

    Regards Tony
     
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  7. 2ndpillar

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    The problem of today, is that everyone is trying to be seen as nicer than the next guy, or to more precise, more "righteous". Barrack said to be your brother's keeper, yet his brother was living in a hovel in Kenya at that time. Apparently it isn't nice to call someone by the wrong gender, even if that person is suffering from gender dysphoria. Apparently is is nice for someone to covet their neighbor' goods, and they should burn down their city to press their point. Apparently it would be nice to sell all you have and give it to someone because they are of a different race. The guy who thinks he is the most righteous guy in the world is apparently the unrighteous Mitt Romney. Probably a symptom of his religious upbringing. The man is overflowing with hate, yet he feels he is better than the deplorables he is supposed to represent. What people think or feel is pretty much useless in today's environment. Either you are built on a foundation of stone, or you are built on one of sand. Today's world is more and more building their houses on a foundation of sand, which was sold to them by the devil at a premium over cost.
     
  8. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Don’t worry, my brother’s the same. He made his money by hard work and doesn’t expect his siblings to come sponging it off him. He says he’s got his own problems and his own family to worry about.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...irobi-shanty-town-U-S-Presidents-BROTHER.html

    Obama's slumdog brother: Meet the hopeless drunk from a Nairobi shanty town who is the US President's brother. George Obama has battled addictions to drink and drugs for most of his life at the same time as his relative has enjoyed a meteoric rise to power

    Details of the lifestyle of Obama's half-brother emerged with news he has agreed to appear in a documentary made by one of the President's most trenchant critics

    Such, apparently, is his devotion to good works that many Kenyans want George to stand for President, believing anyone sharing the name and blood of the most powerful politician on the planet can transform their lives.

    But, as I discovered, this may prove beyond George. Indeed standing — let alone talking much sense or walking in a straight line — is tricky for the U.S. President’s brother much of the time, due to his chronic addiction to drink and years of drug abuse.


    Nor is there anything heroic and altruistic about his motives for living in the slums. His principal reason is that the potent local moonshine is cheap and readily available here, as is cocaine, heroin and marijuana.

    Clearly following the dictum that the best place to hide a tree is in a forest, George’s decision to settle in a slum called Huruma — which is scarred by alcoholism, drug addiction and violence — means his own destructive behaviour attracts little attention.

    Although he claims not to be using heroin or cocaine, George now spends his time drinking what locals call Chang’aa — a spirit distilled with maize and spiked with chemicals — from the moment he wakes to the moment he slips into unconsciousness.

    Laced with ethanol, embalming fluid or battery acid to give it more kick, this substance is regularly blamed for causing blindness and death when the criminal syndicates behind the trade mix it wrongly.

    A glass costs about 10p and, after just five small shots, even hardened drinkers can barely remember their own name. Regular users suffer liver and kidney failure, as well as mental impairment known as ‘wet brain’ …
     
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  9. 2ndpillar

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    And your point is?
     

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