Did Most Early Christians Believe The Divinity of Christ?

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  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    ..but what does that mean?
    Does that mean that Arius believed that the Son was eternal, or not?

    I know that you'd LIKE those letters to be true .. you've made that abundantly clear :)

    Oh .. so Arius believed that the Son was eternal then .. is that what you are saying?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    No .. my logic should NOT take precedence if it is not correct.
    I asked you to show me where it is not correct. I believe that it is correct, of course.
     
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    Well I have shown consistently, you just won't see it ... I can do no more ...
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Arius argued the Son was begotten before time began. If you insist you cannot grasp that Spirit is not dependent on time, perhaps you are wasting time trying to discuss religion, spirit, metaphysics -- whatever you want to call it -- in purely material terms?
    Truth is I don't care that much. But you sure seem to need to prove they're false? You can't just speculate away the historical evidence as fake and replace it with your own predetermined theory.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    No you haven't .. I only asked you at 1.37pm today if you would reply to my post..
    ..and you have not attempted to show me where I am wrong since.
     
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    Are you sure?
    I care. That's what it's all about isn't it? The truth.

    You didn't explain to me whether all that guff about time means that Arius believed that the Son is eternal or NOT?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Explained it a hundred times. You are insulting my intelligence and doing yourself no credit. Waste of time.
     
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    Then I can do no more ...
     
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    OK :D

    I think maybe the answer to my question "did Arius believe that the Son is eternal or not?"
    must not have a simple answer.

    Perhaps, one day he believed he is, and the next day he believed he isn't.
    ..or maybe he thought that he is and isn't simultaneously :eek:

    ..or maybe he believed that he isn't eternal, but it
    doesn't really matter, because what happens outside of time means that he is
    .
    ..or maybe it doesn't make any difference because it's all a mystery anyway.
    ..which means it doesn't matter what any of the gospel authors opinions were, or what any of the 3rd. century Christian historians wrote, or what any of us here in this thread writes.
    The only thing that makes any sense is what Jesus is reported to have said.
    Yes .. I think I'll stick to that.
    Oh .. there I go again with my false logic :oops:
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Jesus did more than talk.
     
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    Jesus, peace be with him, is closer to God than you or I will ever be!
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    No! Really?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    284. Unto God (belongeth) whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth; and whether ye make known what is in your minds or hide it, God will bring you to account for it. He will forgive whom He will and He will punish whom He will. God is Able to do all things.

    285. The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) the believers. Each one believeth in God and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers--We make no distinction between any of His messengers--and they say: We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying.

    - Qur'an The Cow -

    Muslims make no distinction between Moses, Jesus and Muhammad [ peace be with them ]
    They are all close to God. They all served to enlighten mankind.
    Yet there are amongst mankind those who seek to distort God's Wisdom.
     
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    Pharaoh was puffed up with pride and thought he could challenge God..

    10 And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the Lord had commanded:
    and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.

    11 Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

    12 For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

    13 And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the Lord had said.

    - Exodus 7 -

    God's "magic" will always triumph over that of mankind's deception.
     
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