Bhagavān Brahma is YHVH

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  1. wizanda

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    Bhagavān Brahma can mean 'Lord of Creation'.

    'Yah' in Hebrew used to mean 'Lord'; not part of a name (YHVH) as Rabbinic Judaism has taught.

    Where we can show in Psalms 89:8, it compares who is a strong Lord (Yah) like YHVH:

    Psalms 89:8 O LORD (YHVH) God of hosts, who is a strong LORD (YaH) like unto thee? or to thy faithfulness round about thee?

    Havah in Hebrew means the same as Brahma in Sanskrit; it comes from the root breath of the divine, and means 'to make manifest, to be, to expand, to create'.

    Avah means 'to desire' like in the 10th commandment; so as David pointed out, the Lord fulfils our desires.

    Thus Yah-Havah can mean the Lord of Creation; just like Bhagavān Brahma can mean.

    We're in a realm of desires, and delusions called the Maya; where the Creator makes this realm from its word, to help us fulfil our desires, and then learn to find enlightenment in the process.

    In my opinion. :cool:
     
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    I don't have expertise to comment on this, but let's invite @Thomas @Aupmanyav and @RabbiO to start the ball rolling, lol ...
     
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  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Hinduism's relations are with Dharmic religions or pagans (that is what we too are). My Hinduism keeps away from Abrahamic religions.
     
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  4. wizanda

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    Abrahamic religions originated over a thousand years after the Dharmic, and then Zoroastrian religions...

    Where the prophecies within the more ancient religions were fulfilled in the Biblical contexts.

    If we are to recognize that Brahman is one, then it is the same Source of reality creating the later ideas.

    Mankind has caused separation of what was Oneness, and thus this has divided nations by a lack of understanding of the roots it all came from.

    Because of a lack of study of universal religious concepts, many don't understand that El Elyon (God Most High) in the Bible translates as the Highest Source, and Yahavah Elohim translates as the 'Lord of Creation of the Avatars/Divine Beings'.

    In my opinion. :cool:
     
  5. Thomas

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    Can of worms, that one.

    Personally, I am an Abrahamic, indeed Christian, and worse, a Catholic!

    I do not believe Christianity is dependent on any other religion for its fulfilment or realisation, nor do I believe that any Tradition is so dependent. I believe they are all entire and complete in and of themselves.
     
  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    For me, Brahman is not a God. It is the entity / substance of which all things in the universe are constituted of.
     
  7. wizanda

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    The wise men who came from the east were Zoroastrian, who came because of its prophecy; where they were told to expect a Saoshyant (Bringer of Truth) born of a virgin, and to fetch gold, frankincense, & myrrh.

    The reason for the Snare that Yeshua came to lay in Isaiah 8:11-22, is to remove the 'blood thirsty' in the Judgement Day Fire (Isaiah 34-35); which was prophesied before the Biblical prophets did in Zoroastrian, and Hindu texts.

    The Bible makes far more sense when all the prior contexts are also understood; it was only since Babylon that the Rabbi denied any connection to previous revelation as one.
    The Biblical contexts agreed with that idea before Babylon, where because they were polytheistic, they've tried to make it seem a stricter form of monotheism; yet since then they've muddled the language because of it - where they've tried to make El and Elohim the same thing, when the text says otherwise (Isaiah 46:9 - Deuteronomy 32:7-9).

    EL in Hebrew makes much more sense when translated as the 'Source', as it can also mean 'unto'.

    EL is the 'Source' of all reality, it isn't a name or something with any form like the terminology 'God' indicates - as the 2nd commandment implied.

    The Elohim were the Avatars who've interacted with mankind, and the Bible makes much more sense when read that way.

    Translating the words EL and Elohim as God/s, has confused global theology... Eloh is a being breathed by Source, which has a form.

    In my opinion. :cool:
     
  8. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    I accept EL (source) without Elohim, provided it is not converted into a YHWH / God / Allah. And EL is all; humans, animals, vegetation, virus, stone and sand. That is 'Advaita Hinduism'.
     
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    Perhaps. Traditions vary. Magi is Greek, but its origins can be found among Babylonians (Chaldaeans), Medes as well as Persians, so possibly Zoroastrian, but not necessarily so.

    It's assumed there were three, because of the three gifts. The Eastern Churches say twelve.

    +++

    The 'Big Issue' for me is that every Revelation is complete and entire unto itself. It has no need of external confirmation, nor can anything given by God be considered deficient or wanting.

    I see Divine Revelation opening a channel, if you will, between the Divine and the human, and that channel is limitless, because the Divine is limitless in Grace and Generosity. So really there is no need to look elsewhere, you have everything you need to hand.

    Having said that, following the philosophy of the Traditionalists, I do really enjoy 'comparative religion', but it's a second-issue thing, it's not, and nor should it detract from, 'the one thing necessary'.
     
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    El Elyon defined the Highest Source of reality.

    When we translated El Elyon into Arabic, it became Ala Ilah; where Allah defines the God Most High.

    The Quran was saying not to worship the Divine Council, and only to be worshipping the Source, as everything else is made by it.

    Because most Muhammadans don't study the world's religion as one, as a Muslim should; the theological structuring has been lost in translation, and so most don't understand the differences between El (Source) and Elohim (Divine Council/Beings).
    As saying it was specifically prophesied in Zoroastrian texts in detail... Saying there will be 3 Saoshyants born, each to a virgin, and there would be a large star illuminating the birth of one of them.
    The prophecy is all part of one universal tapestry, as God is one, not divided; there is only one Heaven, and one Source to all of it...

    Mankind has divided it all, as some of us have been racists, which has caused the bigotedness; we assume a different language makes a different deity, when it has been different cultures, and languages, which has then divided us into different nations (Revelation 10:11).
    This is all part of a massive test like a global jigsaw - If we read many of the texts, it explains God is only keeping in the Age to Come those who've recognized God is One; all the polytheists (Canaanites) get removed in the Judgement Day Fire (Zechariah 14:21)...

    Thinking individual religions have different gods, makes someone a polytheist by definition; as they're pluralizing what is One Source to reality.

    In my opinion. :cool:
     
  11. Thomas

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    Interesting, but then many Zoroastrians find considerable inconsistencies in relating the Saoshyants to Jesus.

    The Baha'i, for example, believe that the three are Mohammed, the Bab and Bahá'u'lláh.

    Again, an interesting way of looking at things.
     
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  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Come God and our paths diverge. I am a strong atheist. I do not believe in any God, so how can I believe in any avatara or Elohim?
    We Hindus, will take all precautions against him. Then why should we believe when people say that 'God is love'. This God is no better than Caliph Ibrahim. Do you worship such a mean and undemocratic God?
     
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  13. wizanda

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    Personally I try not to do beliefs, as they have the word 'lie' somewhere within them.

    We can show in ancient texts globally that there were beings of divine origin, who helped manifest the known reality; then we have the Source of reality that everything comes from.

    In advanced Buddhist, and Jain theology, when we reach the state of Buddhahood we become part of the Divine Consciousness.

    In our current mortal state, we're in a finite way of thinking attached to form; when we're freed of these material attachments, we can become an essential part of creation.

    Therefore understanding ourselves as Divine Beings (Elohim), would allow us to accept we were all once one of them; where we've fallen down here into the Maya, a state of material desires and delusions.
    I only worship the Source of reality, like it is a CPU (El) that manifests reality at a quantum level...

    Where we are all computer game characters (Elohim), inside a Massive Multiple Player Online Game.

    When Yahavah is Bhagavān Brahma (the Lord of Creation), then because it was there at the formulation of reality, we're the computer game characters it designed; where the divine plan was known before reality was created...

    Therefore I have the upmost respect for the opportunity to learn what it is trying to show; even if some of it is an evil riddle across time.

    The plan by the way, is to catch out those who go against it; when it is purposely made to look awful.

    In my opinion. :cool:
     
  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Divine, divine, divine. I do not have any divinity in me, I am just a bundle of molecules.
    No, Brahma is not the only Lord of Creation. For Shaivas, it is Shiva; for Shaktas, it is Durga. And no Lord of Creation for atheists like me.
     

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