On Fallen Angels

He could be a wolf in sheep's clothing?.... the Word says.... "Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light"
Lucifer doesn't exist. People project different things on this figure from the Roman mythology.
The sun goes up in the morning and it goes down in the evening, and then we switch on the electric light or go sleep. The light is already here.
Also in the figurative sense, the light (in the sense of wisdom and insight) is already here. We just have to recognise it and live according to it.
 
How do you know?
Lucifer is a word created by men, and people in the past and today who use or used the word have completely different concepts on its meaning. The origin is in the Roman polytheist mythology, somehow linked to the morning star, which is actually Venus, but has different roles, some from the Greek Prometheus, Phosphorus, then somehow mingled into the figure of Shaitan although the Roman mythology and the oriental concept of Shaitan have little in common. That's why I say Lucifer is only a word, and words don't exist but depend on the person who uses them.
 
Lucifer is a word created by men, and people in the past and today who use or used the word have completely different concepts on its meaning. The origin is in the Roman polytheist mythology, somehow linked to the morning star, which is actually Venus, but has different roles, some from the Greek Prometheus, Phosphorus, then somehow mingled into the figure of Shaitan although the Roman mythology and the oriental concept of Shaitan have little in common. That's why I say Lucifer is only a word, and words don't exist but depend on the person who uses them.
So when Jesus spoke about satan, who was He referring to?
 
Lucifer is a word created by men ...
Well all words were created ... lucifer has a long history, as discussed elsewhere.

... and people in the past and today who use or used the word have completely different concepts on its meaning.
Absolutely.

As demonstrated elsewhere, 'lucifer' in Scripture, Latin for the Day Star, was understood to signify Jesus. It was a positive reference.

With the printing of the Bible in English, and the emergence of popular folk-theology, Lucifer began to used as a name for the devil around the 14th century. But only in English. In the European vernacular bibles, German, French, Spanish, the translations was that language equivalent of 'morning star'.

Dante picked up 'Lucifer' and used it interchangeably with 'Satan' in his Divine Comedy – but this Lucifer/Satan is trapped in the lowest of the nine circles of hell, a realm of frozen in ice. He is portrayed as an enormous winged demon embedded in the ice, his flapping wings circulates the cold air and keeps the ice frozen, which in turn locks the demon and the worst of the worst sinners. This demon has three mouths, eternally chewing on the bodies of Cassius, Brutus and Judas.

Dante borrowed from Scripture, but he also introduced elements from various mythologies as well as his own imagination.

His influence should not be under-estimated – but it's far removed from Scripture.
 
Hmmm..
I realise that this is in the Christianity forums, but many Christians believe .. rightly or wrongly:

The Bible doesn't explicitly state that Lucifer is Satan, but many interpret the description in Isaiah 14:12, along with other passages (like Ezekiel 28:12-19) describing a fallen angel with prideful ambitions, as referring to the same figure.

In Islam too, we believe that a pious Iblees, fell through arrogance and became satan(an adversary).

The bottom line:
..whether the Lucifer in Isaiah is "the satan" or not, the concept is still valid (fallen "angel").
 
1 Peter 3:18-20 (note: scholars believe this not by Peter, but by an anonymous Christian)

"For Christ also suffered – on account of sins, once and for all, a just man on behalf of the unjust, so that he might lead you to God, being put to death in flesh and yet being made alive in spirit, whereby he also journeyed and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison, to those in the past who disobeyed while God’s magnanimity bided its time, in the days of Noah when the ark was being fashioned, by which a few – that is, eight souls – were brought safe through the water... "

Commentarey:
At 4:6, the text speaks of “the dead” as having been “evangelized,” the language here is of Christ “making a proclamation” to “the spirits.” This is not to human beings who have died, but to angels or daemonic beings imprisoned until the day of judgment (mentioned also in 2 Peter 2:4-5 and Jude 1:6).

During the intertestamental period, before the “official” canon of Hebrew scripture was generally established for either Jews or Christians, among the most influential holy texts for both communities were visionary books such as 1 Enoch and Jubilees, which (among many other things) recount the apostasy and punishment of various angels and their offspring in the days after the expulsion of Adam and Eve, and the evils these angelic dissidents visited upon the world – the ultimate consequence of which was the flood, sent by God to rescue the world from the iniquity they had set loose.

In the flood narratives known to the earliest Christians, the only angelic rebellion was that of those “sons of Elohim,” or angels, who, according to Genesis 6:2, were drawn by the beauty of “the daughters of men” to wed them; and according to these texts the mysterious “nefilim” of Genesis 6:6 (understood as monstrous giants) were the children sired by these angels on human women.

According to 1 Enoch there were two hundred of these sons of Elohim, or “Watchers,” who abandoned God’s heavenly court, led by a Watcher called Semyaza; became fathers of the nefilim, and taught their human wives to practice sorcery; and one of them, Azazél, taught humanity how to make weapons, jewelry, and cosmetics (with predictably dire results). On being informed of these transgressions by four of his Archangels, God sent the Archangel Michael to imprison the celestial dissidents in the darkness below and to slay the nefilim; but the ghosts of the nefilim then became the demons that now haunt the world.

According to the book of Jubilees, the angels who became enchanted with the beauty of human women were angels of a lower order assigned to govern the natural elements and kinds of this cosmos. In that version of the tale, the celestial angels imprisoned these fallen cosmic angels in the dark below to await the final judgment, while the nefilim were driven to fall upon and kill one another. After the flood, however, the ghosts of the nefilim were still wandering the earth as demons under their leader, Mastema or Beliar (assuming these are the same figure). When God ordered these bound in prison as well, Mastema prevailed on him to allow a tenth of their number to continue roaming the world till the last day, so as to test humanity and punish the wicked; and thus Mastema comes to serve as “a satan” (that is, an Accuser) in this age.

The reference to Christ journeying to these spirits to make his proclamation to them seems to echo the account of Enoch journeying to their abode in order to proclaim God’s condemnation upon them (in chapters 12-15 of 1 Enoch).

So "Satan" was not originally a personal name as such, but rather a signifier of function, "the accuser" or "the adversary" – and Enoch seems to use this word as a collective noun, or rather as the term applied to evil-as-such, manifested in fallen angels.
 
Personally i believe the devils biggest weapon is the perpetuating belief that he doesnt exist. Hell was created for the devil and his angels.. who is the devil then?
 
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