Tree of Knowledge

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The tree of the knowledge of good and evil has always been the biggest mystery (to me at least) from the Genesis creation story. It seems pretty obvious that nothing that's created in the image/likeness of God could but be destined for the knowledge of good and evil - eventually. Sure, you may have nakedness at first, when there is yet no work of man, but as soon as there's movement forward, there's the inevitable acquiring of knowledge that cannot but include good and evil. In fact, there can hardly be knowledge without also knowing good and evil because even at the most fundamental level, any work can either be done right or wrong. The hand of man, even the hand of God Himself, is not lacking in paradise so called, when He planted a garden in Eden and gave it unto Adam to keep it - garden meaning garden and not jungle, and keeping can only be done by instruments. Humans are not animals therefore animalia is irrelevant. Animals are made clothed with nature; humans are made naked so that they may clothed themselves with works of a higher purpose taken from nature, thus knowledge/mind/spirit. If all that God made is good, than does that not necessarily include the possibility, at the very least, for humanity to have through the very means of acquiring the knowledge of good and evil, avoid the fall by choosing the good?

Now obviously I'm aware of all the divers answers that may arise on an Interfaith Forum, hence why I posted this in Abrahamic Religions, primarily to ask of those who desire to read and understand the creation account in a way that makes sense to itself. Sure, allegorical is understandable, but what then do the allegories mean? To you personally: Can you imagine God having desired for us to actually remain in a state of perpetual ignorance with regard to knowing good and evil? Surely "very good" cannot mean making the world in a way that is impossible to support choosing good to you, can it?
 
..Can you imagine God having desired for us to actually remain in a state of perpetual ignorance with regard to knowing good and evil? Surely "very good" cannot mean making the world in a way that is impossible to support choosing good to you, can it?
I believe that G-d knew that Adam and Eve (mankind) would sin in "the garden".
He knows what He creates .. He knows that mankind is weak and will sin.
We all sin, regardless of religious persuasion .. but some more than others .. some don't even
acknowledge the concept of sin.

..so the simple answer is "no", G-d did NOT desire mankind to live in "the garden" forever, not
without trial, in any case .. He gave us free-will, and wants us to learn .. sometimes
by "the hard way" of making mistakes.

I believe that G-d forgave Adam and Eve as they repented, yet sin has consequence .. we might suffer in this life for a time. The greater punishment is in a life hereafter for those who refuse to repent..
..like satan.
 
Can you imagine God having desired for us to actually remain in a state of perpetual ignorance with regard to knowing good and evil?

Would you rather have knowledge, or would you rather have wisdom?

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The Tree of Life offered wisdom, not just knowledge.

Proverbs 3:13 - Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.
Proverbs 3:18 - She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.

They had the choice of either tree. Your question makes no sense.
 
I believe that G-d knew that Adam and Eve (mankind) would sin in "the garden".
He knows what He creates .. He knows that mankind is weak and will sin.
We all sin, regardless of religious persuasion .. but some more than others .. some don't even
acknowledge the concept of sin.

..so the simple answer is "no", G-d did NOT desire mankind to live in "the garden" forever, not
without trial, in any case .. He gave us free-will, and wants us to learn .. sometimes
by "the hard way" of making mistakes.

I believe that G-d forgave Adam and Eve as they repented, yet sin has consequence .. we might suffer in this life for a time. The greater punishment is in a life hereafter for those who refuse to repent..
..like satan.
I definitely uphold in the concept of sin. The difficulty I’m facing in the creation story is the fact that while describing the beginning of humanity as innocent through ignorance (makes sense), it appears to make the very idea of leaving that state ignorance as sin and the only sin - understandably so as sin is not typically imputed to those who are ignorant.

The other concern is the common ambiguity between God’s knowledge and His “making/creating”. Did He create the world in a way that it was possible for man to mature in the work of good without having to fall to attain good?
 
Would you rather have knowledge, or would you rather have wisdom?

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The Tree of Life offered wisdom, not just knowledge.



They had the choice of either tree. Your question makes no sense.
I would rather have wisdom, and I agree with you that the tree of live symbolizes wisdom as wisdom stands in the most immediate relation to working life.

My question makes sense in that wisdom necessarily includes knowledge (and understanding) and thus the tree of life would make the tree of knowledge obsolete since it would go beyond it. What would be the meaning then of the tree of knowledge that’s included in the tree of life?
 
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