Creation or Evolution: The Statistics!!!

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Awaiting_the_fifth, Sep 2, 2005.

?

Creation or evolution?

  1. Creation

    20 vote(s)
    43.5%
  2. Evolution

    26 vote(s)
    56.5%
  1. Awaiting_the_fifth

    Awaiting_the_fifth Where is my mind?

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    602
    Likes Received:
    0
    After all the talk recently about Creation and Evolution, I was curious to find out just how many of our CR brethren believe in Evolution and how many in a Genesis style creation.

    Please note that this is in no way limited to the Christian idea of Creation, any version of a creation myth is applicable.

    I vote evolution.
     
  2. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2004
    Messages:
    3,915
    Likes Received:
    0
    Just a small suggestion. One does not "believe in" evolution. Perhaps you could reword that to reflect something like "accept the theory of evolution."

    lunamoth
     
  3. Ciel

    Ciel in essence

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    926
    Likes Received:
    0
    Lunamoth,

    Well, I believe in evolution in the same way I believe in God.
    And in this there is no theory. Only God, only evolution.
    Can I prove it in statistics, no.
    Can I live it, yes.
     
  4. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2004
    Messages:
    3,915
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi Ciel,

    Well, we are not really apart I don't think. :)

    I believe in the Creation described in Genesis as a sacred truth beyond what can be measured by humans. I accept the theory of evolution/descent with modification as the best explanation fitting the data we have to date. I see no conflict whatsoever.

    peace,
    lunamoth
     
  5. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2004
    Messages:
    3,915
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am posting this on behalf of Ciel, who is currently unable to post in this thread. :)

     
  6. Awaiting_the_fifth

    Awaiting_the_fifth Where is my mind?

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    602
    Likes Received:
    0
    Is there really a difference between "believe" and "accept the theory"?
     
  7. Ciel

    Ciel in essence

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2004
    Messages:
    926
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi awaiting the fifth,

    This thread has cleared it'self again, reason why not possible to post as only big gaps appearing on screen, infact they're still there, but have discovered, can be read by scrolling down after post, thanks for your help lunamoth.


    Awaiting the fifth,

    When you meditate, are you in belief, you know the what I am feeling is real, or are you accepting the theory? You can measure this in your conscious and subconscious state, compared to normal habitual living. It is real, yet others might only accept the theory if they had not felt it for themselves.
     
  8. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2004
    Messages:
    3,915
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi Awaiting,

    On forums such as this I have come to the conclusion that this is an important distinction to make. I am a Christian. As part of my faith I internalize the teachings of Christianity, based in the Bible, in the light of tradition and reason. But faith is belief in things not seen, or 'not testable' to put a scientific spin on the words.

    On the other hand, evolution is a theory based completely on the analysis of material evidence and data. I don't need faith to accept the utility of the theory of evolution.

    Anyway, I can't answer your poll question as stated. If you want to know if I'm a YEC, the answer is no. If you want to know if I 'believe' in ID, my answer is 'what possible use is such a belief to either science or religion?' :) God created it all and saw that it was good.

    peace,
    lunamoth
     
  9. Dondi

    Dondi Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2005
    Messages:
    2,615
    Likes Received:
    0
    Awaiting the Fifth. There are some who believe in theistic evolution. Shouldn't there be a third choice?
     
  10. MattWolf

    MattWolf OM

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2005
    Messages:
    22
    Likes Received:
    0
    There could many choices.

    Perhaps a more useful question might be: "To what degree do you take Genesis 1-3 literally?" with multiple options varying by degree...or something like that.

    My answer would be "God provided the material that makes up the Universe and the laws that function within the Universe. Everything else is debateable (and irrelevant) to me."
     
  11. Awaiting_the_fifth

    Awaiting_the_fifth Where is my mind?

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    602
    Likes Received:
    0
    Personally, I dont believe so. I see no conflict between scientific evolution and theistic evolution. I think that if there is a God, it is quite wrong to deny the perfection of the system he has set in motion to produce humans as we are now.

    In my humble opinion, to ignore the evidence and claim that the earth is only 5000 years old is to deny God's work.

    That is, if there is a God.
     
  12. Faithfulservant

    Faithfulservant New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2004
    Messages:
    2,792
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hmm See I believe in evolution.. I believe in micro evolution I do not believe in macro evolution.. Should stick something on there pertaining to this otherwise its not really accurate
     
  13. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2003
    Messages:
    6,532
    Likes Received:
    8
    Yep - the theory as it stands at present is incapable of describing specific mechanisms and processes of evolution.

    The principle of evolution is different...

    However, it's also worth reminding that evolution does not relate to the "creation" of life, but the development and diversity.

    So perhaps the black and white answers that may seem immediately applicable, are in fact not...

    :)
     
  14. Cobber

    Cobber New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 28, 2005
    Messages:
    18
    Likes Received:
    0
    Hi Ciel - I completely agree with you!

    Just to add that when I want to know the "How" questions in life I turn to science for the answers, when I want to know the "Why" questions in life I turn to God for the answer.
     
  15. Dor

    Dor Bible Thumper

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2005
    Messages:
    1,139
    Likes Received:
    0
    I believe in both to an extent. God created everything and there has been evolution among the different types of animals as conditions and times changed but no cross evolution and no spontaneous generation.

    "What I think the DNA material has done is show that intelligence must have been involved in getting these extraordinarily diverse elements together," he said. "The enormous complexity by which the results were achieved look to me like the work of intelligence." Anthony Flew one of the best known atheist and author of Darwinian Evolution.
     
  16. truthseeker

    truthseeker New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2005
    Messages:
    539
    Likes Received:
    1
    Genesis-style creation doesn't seem 'whole' to me. Genesis 4:15 tells me that Adam, Eve, and their offspring were not the only people on the earth.

    To think that God took some clay, rounded it up, threw it down, and said "let us make man in our image", isn't adequate. I think God is deeper than that. All around us there is evidence of evolution - why shouldn't humans be subject to it as well? When the sperm meets the egg, it becomes a zygote. It continues to go through the process of evolution until it is viable to live outside the womb. But wait! It doesn't stop there.... The infant becomes a toddler and continues to go through an evolution until that child becomes an adult. Just that simple process that we have seen all of our lives makes me believe that all this began with molecules and kept growing. I don't think that it is impossible for man to have evolved to the straight-backed, two legged form.
     
  17. StarshipEnterprise

    StarshipEnterprise to boldly go...

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2005
    Messages:
    105
    Likes Received:
    0
    I voted Evolution. I think the scientific explanation is the best one yet. But for many people, this is not an "either or" question. When I asked my muslim friend if he was a creationist he said, "in this country, there are two extremes, everything being created at once, and evolution." Then he whent on to explain that he believed in the evolution of animals but not of people. There are also many cristians who beleive mostly in creation, but incoorperate some evolution into it as well.
     
  18. Bandit

    Bandit New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2005
    Messages:
    3,172
    Likes Received:
    0
    ok then which came first? the man or the woman?

    if the man came first & Eve evolved out of Adam...that does not seem right. i think God created a male & a female, created them He. How can that be?
    unless you think the woman came first? then adam would be eves son & not her husband.

    in the like figure God started growing Jesus in the womb of Mary & we know Jesus came before the church.

    How, what, where, when & how long it took...i can't believe i am discussing this again, but i liked your post Truthseeker.

    the evolution theory as it is, does not seem whole to me. the prehsitoric still seems to be a different issue from modern man, so I vote creation (ID), again.:)
     
  19. Master

    Master New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2005
    Messages:
    11
    Likes Received:
    0
    i believe god is energy and energy is everything and everyone.

    The whole universe is energy.

    I believe in evolution, mainly because it is right before our eyes.
    Everything - the entire universe and our earth as well as man made objects
    are evolving every second of the day.

    And because everything comes from energy or god, that means god is evolving as well. This also means that god is our creator through evolution.

    Genesis is not to be taken literally, but metaphorically.
     
  20. Bandit

    Bandit New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2005
    Messages:
    3,172
    Likes Received:
    0
    i take it both ways:)
     

Share This Page