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It is well documented, that Christianity as a whole has been led over the past 2000 years into unknowingly following the theological methods of interpretation developed by the Greek philosopher Plato and his followers. This is amazingly enough easy to find.

“Strange times are these in which we live when old and young are taught in falsehood schools. And the one man that dares to tell the truth is called at once a lunatic and fool”(Plato)
Encyclopedia Americana
Theology is a term compounded of two Greek words, theos (God) and logos
(rational utterance), and it might be taken to mean something like "rational utterance or discourse about god or gods". The term first appeared in Plato's Republic (Book 2, Chap. 18) with reference to poetry. According to Plato norms must be prescribed to which the poetry must conform in matters of Theology. These norms or "rules" of theology were developed by Plato as a means of corrupting the writings of Homer and the other Greek poets, for the purpose of influencing and controlling what people believe when they read. Homer wrote some things about the Olympian gods that Plato and his mentor Socrates didn't agree with. They just didn't think that a lot of what Homer said about the Greek gods, and especially Zeus himself was rational. However the Greeks thought pretty much of Homer so Socrates and Plato couldn't just say that what Homer said was wrong. Not unless they wanted to be stoned or torn limb from limb, since the Greeks considered Homer a prophet, and they considered his "poetry" as scripture.
What the Encyclopedia says is that Plato coined the word Theology for the first time to name a set of rules to which scripture must conform.
Are the Holy Scriptures supposed to conform to rules developed by a Greek philosopher?
According to Plato, these rules were to cover any story concerning any gods anywhere at any time. What other "stories" were around at the time that Plato made up all these rules? THE OLD TESTAMENT!
A major part of the Theology that Plato developed to make scripture conform to what ever He thought was rational, is called Hermeneutics. It is the infiltration of this method of study called Hermeneutics, that when applied to the scriptures in interpretation has culminated in the complete and final apostasy.
A major factor in the ability to deceive using Greek Hermeneutics is by it's application to literature, it convinces the individual reading the literature that he has come to a correct and truthful understanding of what is being said. He thinks he sees, he thinks he hears, he thinks he understands, when the exact opposite is true. He has becomes convinced in his heart that what he knows is the truth, when he is wrong.
Hermeneutics and Theology are hidden things of dishonesty that teach people how to handle words deceitfully. Remember the word Theology was coined by Plato for the first time in his book The Republic, Book 2, chapter 18, and it means “rational utterance about the God or gods.” Suppose that what the scriptures say is not rational to you. You just apply the methods of Theology and Hermeneutics and apply the rules that a Greek Philosopher came up with and you can get the scriptures to conform for you. As Plato said and Christian Theology teaches, rules must be prescribed to which ALL Scripture must conform. If there happen to be parts that don’t conform to your Theology there is a "rule" to explain why.
It can be proven that Christianity adopted this method of Theology from the Theology of Plato. There are many books on “How to study and interpret the Bible.” They may have changed the name of the "god" but the system remains the same. The reason Plato developed Theology was to corrupt the writings of Homer and other Greek poets giving him control over the religious beliefs of the people. The same method of study is taught in every Theological School today.
Theology is not a set of doctrines. Theology is an educational system that teaches rules on how to study religious literature. Most religious literature concerns history and Theology is a system on how to revise what is written without actually changing the writings themselves. It is a highly developed form of deceitful Historical Revisionism. No matter what you apply it to, its purpose is to adulterate and corrupt it.
Hermeneutics gets its name from the god Hermes. It was Hermes who was the prince of Greecia and gave the revelation of the knowledge of how to deceive with words.
Theology's greatest deception is that it has the power to make one think that he is wise and smart. It makes us think that we are like God because we think we understand God's word. However all it teaches is HOW to handle the word of God deceitfully.
Bakers Dictionary of Practical Theology has this to say about " the "science" or "art" of Hermeneutics.
The conscious setting up of rules is hermeneutics from the god Hermes, messenger of the gods, hence hermeneuein, to interpret; hermeneia interpretation, commentary; and the hermeneutic technique, the skill or art of interpretation.
Hermeneutics is both an art and a science. It is a science in that it can reduce interpretation within limits to a set of rules; it is an art in that it draws up its own story lines that are not there, using rules. Some writers have argued that the giving and taking of meaning in understanding is more art than science. But at least it is not all art and what is not art can be treated by a rule.
This book is recommended to every minister, preacher, teacher and Bible student in the Christian world, with a minimum of 49 pages defining the "art" or "science", the "RULES" of how Christians should interpret the scriptures, and this so-called "science" is called Hermeneutics after a PAGAN god. These "rules" are being applied to the Holy Scriptures.
Lying is an art and you can be taught to lie, thinking your telling the truth. There is actually a form of knowledge in how to lie. If I can get you to follow the methods of how to lie, and make you think your telling the truth that would make me very crafty. This is exactly what Theology and Hermeneutics is designed to do, it is the essence of Greek Philosophy. Hermeneutics not only teaches you how to develop a lie it teaches you how to cover it up by a "rule".
Anything that doesn't agree with what you want to prove, you cover up with a "rule". If there isn't a rule you simply make one up. This is why there have been different "schools" of interpretation developed over the years, the latest being the School of Dispensational Interpretation. The rule being that if something doesn't fit what you are trying to propound, you simply say: "This wasn’t written for this dispensation". This keeps us from reading the Old Testament, the Gospels and the book of Revelation. According to Dispensationalist the only part of the scriptures that apply to us is found in the letters of Paul. Yet even when they come to things in Paul's letters that disagree with what they are trying to promote they merely say, "Oh that was written to the Jew not the Gentiles or that has a spiritual meaning. Sometimes right in the middle of a sentence something disagrees with their doctrine and they tell you it's not written to you. This is the deceitful way in which all Theology and Hermeneutics works.
We can’t rightly divide the word of truth, with a system of literary interpretation that was specifically designed to deceive and cover up the truth. Theology was specifically designed to corrupt the writing of Homer, considered scripture and history.
Why would Plato want to corrupt the writings of Homer? That is perfectly simple, he wanted to clean up the image of the gods Homer talked about. Do you think that the Greeks worshipped and sacrificed to the gods because they loved them? Do you think they worshipped them because they were so "good"? Absolutely not, the Greek gods were beautiful yet degenerate thieves, rapists, bullies, liars, murderers, kidnappers some pretty bad guys who got men to worship them through fear of what would happen if they didn't. Homer just wrote it like he saw it, he give an account of what was actually going on at a certain point in history in that part of the world.

Love and Light, Midge
The holy scripture, the bible, is the gospel. The same God who created the universe, and knows mans days before he is created, has throughout the ages inspired man to write down the bible and it is the power of god that sends the gospel to all parts of the world so all might come to know christ and be saved. if all other writings and conversations do not give glory to god or do the will of god, then it is not of god.
BlaznFattyz, Thank you for the response.

I agree with you that God gave us the universal laws of Creation Physics pure and holy to live and create by and I agree that God still inspires mankind along our way. However this does not negate the fact that the bible has been tampered with.

God gave man a set of laws and it was up to man as to what he did with these laws. Mankind has throughout history misused and twisted these laws for selfish purposes.
Indeed God inspires man and places within each of us (who chose) the ability to discern right and wrong this is part of our DNA. However there have been unholy men through out time who chose to go against the knowingness of Gods will but chose to go against it and it was these men who set out to manipulate mankind. Thinking they could raise above God. However to do so they needed to corrupt the Sacred Text that teaches true Creation Science to do so.

Love and Light, Midge
Marietta said:
BlaznFattyz, Thank you for the response.

I agree with you that God gave us the universal laws of Creation Physics pure and holy to live and create by and I agree that God still inspires mankind along our way. However this does not negate the fact that the bible has been tampered with.

God gave man a set of laws and it was up to man as to what he did with these laws. Mankind has throughout history misused and twisted these laws for selfish purposes.
Indeed God inspires man and places within each of us (who chose) the ability to discern right and wrong this is part of our DNA. However there have been unholy men through out time who chose to go against the knowingness of Gods will but chose to go against it and it was these men who set out to manipulate mankind. Thinking they could raise above God. However to do so they needed to corrupt the Sacred Text that teaches true Creation Science to do so.

Love and Light, Midge
Yep and there are more doing it today then ever before.:D
for certain, principalities and powers are at work against the word of god. it does not discredit the bible, as the sum of its parts are in agreement. for certain the meat of the bible, which talks of a coming messiah, and the saviour who saves man, and the glory of the gods son is intact and working today. it is troublesome to see those that fall away to doctrine that may seem attractive and humanistic, adopting characteristics of christianity; however, if jesus christ is not the focal point, be cautious of its intent.
Marietta, your post seems to assume that all Christians interpret the teachings of the Bible in the same way, which is not correct. If there has been a conspiracy to deceive, it has not been universally successful.
We are presently living in the time of the apostasy. Tragically, Christianity as an organized religion is apostate. The believers are so entrenched in the traditions and doctrines of the apostate church that as students of the Holy Scriptures, they have become blinded to the realities contained within. Having eyes to see, they see not, because they see through a glass dimly. They don’t question passages that are seen in opposition to what is being taught by the church, they assume that it is their seeing that is in error. We have been trained to think in this manner.
In this generation that we are living in a lot of time has been invested in finding the true name of the Creator, there are even books written about the name of God. In the English translations of the Hebrew text, what is called the name of God has been translated merely as, The Lord, but in the Hebrew text it is written as three letters known as the Tettragramaton. The word Tettragramaton means ‘the four letters,’ which are merely four letters taken from the 72 letter name of the Creator. The Creator’s name, which in the Hebrew Old Testament consists of four letters known as the tetragrammaton, YHVH, is thought to be pronounced “Yahweh” but in reality the name of the Divine Absolute being who is the first source of all things is unutterable. It is said that this name consists of 72 consonants which when pronounced properly will bring this world as we know it to an end. It is more than a name as we think names to be, it is a vibration tone that identifies Source and was used in the creation of all things.
The Israelites had been given the Divine name/vibrational tone of 72 letters and were told not to misuse them. It is the vibration of these 72 letters that brought about the destruction of great nations, such as Atlantis and Lumeria, Mou, Meru and later in time Egypt, the Mayan nation and many others. The vibration of these letters create a vortex from this dimension into another opening a gateway known as the gateway of the gods. Because of the destruction these letters have brought in the past the Jews believed that it would be better if they didn’t pronounce them at all, so they did away with all but four letters and began to pronounce it as Adonia (the Lord or master). They knew that the vibration produced by the true combination of these 72 letters couldn’t be misused/blasphemed by those looking out for their own selfish desires instead of the good of the entire universe. It was with this vibrational tone that Jesus was able to do what is called Miracles.
Didn’t Christ say: “In the Name, You can say to this mountain move over there and it will obey.” (a paraphrase of scripture)

In the Book of Philip, which is part of the New Testament Apocrypha, we are told:
The Godpel of Philip: 13. The archons wanted to deceive man, since they saw that he had a kinship with the truly good. They took the name of the good and gave it to what is not good, in order (first) to deceive him through the names and bind them to what is not good, and then, as if they were doing them a favor, to cause them to remove from the ‘not good’ and transfer them to the ‘good’ which they think is so. For they wished to take the free man and make him their slave for ever.

While living in the wilderness the Divine (a lower fourth dimensional being) gave the Israelites certain laws or rules that taught them how to live life, pure, healthy and long, in harmony with each other. These laws included a Sabbath or seventh day of rest and relaxation, which we are told in the scriptures will bring health and wealth unto those who keep it. The Sabbath is Saturday not Sunday. This day is filled with an extra portion of energy/Chi/Prana that brings peace to our souls and aids in healing our health. Early on Saturday morning we are to take a deep breath taking in an extra portion of life energy/Chi which is a portion of the Shekinah. At the end of the Sabbath, at sunset, we are to breath out long and hard releasing any left over energy/Chi/Prana that our body didn’t use back into the atmosphere for the following week.
The Messiah came to restore the faded teachings about the Universal Laws however the laws were stripped from him before he died, again leaving all humanity except those in covert power, without the laws of nature that are able to give us everlasting life. These Universal laws, Torah, were stripped away one by one and we are taught that the Messiah did away with them when he died because they were a burden and not to be kept anymore.
The Fallen Angels held a hatred for the Jews because they know that the Jews held the knowledge that would enable them to set up of the One World Government but would not share it with them. The reason that they have withheld this knowledge from others is because this knowledge is so dangerous that in the wrong hands it can bring the demise of the human race.
The Fallen Angels have tried to eliminate the Jews (who have thwarted their efforts to take total control of the world) for eons.
On Kislev 15 (December 15th) 168 B.C. Antiochus erected an idol of Zeus, the supreme deity of the Greek pantheon, on the holy altar in the courtyard of the temple. On the birthday of Zeus (Kislev/December 25th), Antiochus offered a pig on the altar. The pig was the ultimate abomination to Adoni, strictly forbidden by the law. Antiochus sprinkled its blood in the Holy of Holies and poured its broth over the holy scrolls before he cut them to pieces and burned them.
Three centuries before the birth of the Messiah, Alexander the great wanted to rule the world and make Greek the language of the world. At that time Ptolemy II gathered seventy-two men to translate the Hebrew scriptures into Greek and this translation is known as the Septuagint, from which our translations have been derived. The word Septuagint means seventy, however it was actually seventy-two men who did the translation, six from each of the twelve tribes of Israel. To ensure that they were given an accurate translation these men were each put into separate rooms and locked in until the translations were completed. When Ptolemy Philadelphus ordered this translation be done of the Jewish Scriptures (250 BCE) he asked the high priest Eleazar to send him the official manuscripts. Eleazar sent the Pentateuch. It was only the Pentateuch that was requested and received.
This gave the Roman’s the power to fight for control of the world but they knew that as long as the Jews had this knowledge they would thwart their efforts so they needed to get rid of the Jews.
In the 1st century Nero had such a hatred for the Jews and the new sect that were followers of the Jewish Messiah, that he burned them at the stake to light up the night skies so the chariot races could be seen. All this hatred came from the idea that the Jews still held the knowledge of the Universal laws.
The Romans knew that as long as they had Jews living who held the knowledge of the Divine Universal laws that it would make it very difficult for them to take total control of this realm. So they instigated the Inquisition beginning full scale in the 11th century and lasting well into the 1600th century. During the time of the Inquisition 52 million were killed for opposing the apostate Church. The people were told that only the Pope could understand the scriptures and his interpretation was absolute. Anyone who studied the scriptures for himself and questioned what the church said about them was killed.
Mankind desperately wanted a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures and tried to write translations for themselves, however when found, the scriptures along with their translators were burned at the stake. This continued until all who opposed the apostate church were dead or afraid to stand up for their beliefs and finally all memory of the original, true teachings of the Divine had faded.
When the Roman Church realized how great the desire was among the people to have a translation of the holy scriptures in their native tongue, knowing that it was a futile effort to keep them from obtaining one, they put together their jaded, twisted interpretation of a translation and called it the “Authorized Version of the Holy Scriptures” (these translations were taken from the Latin, which had been translated from the Greek text, that the scribes had given them from the Hebrew, which were mistranslated on purpose to hide the Divine laws of the Universe). Rules had been added to the language making it possible to change the content of what was really in them.
According to one source there are more than 50,000 errors in the English translations of the Holy Scriptures.
Then came World War II and the Holocaust, when six million Jews were annihilated for no other reason than the fact that they were Jews holding a memory of the true way in which to translate the Hebrew writings. The whole Hebrew language almost came into annihilation. Hebrew is the only language in the history of the world that became extinct (as a spoken language), and then was revived. The heads of the Church knew that if no one knew the language of the original scriptures that it would be easier to deceive the people with the mistranslated and distorted copies of these same scriptures. They made up rules and applied them to the Hebrew language, so that when people tried to translate the Hebrew text they would not understand its original meaning.
Man was given a set of Divine laws, instructions on how to live life healthy, pure and in harmony with all living things. Man took these laws and turned them into a yoke of bondage.
We are now so caught up in tradition and doctrine that we are blinded to the teachings that are contained within the Holy Scriptures. Most of us don’t want to take the time to study and dig into the Scriptures to find the truth they hold. We have been lead into the apostasy like sheep blindly lead to the slaughter. In fact the enemy calls us Sheepel because sheep are followers and if you can get the first sheep in a herd to jump off a cliff the rest will follow. All the enemy has to do is get a select few to do something and the rest of us follow suit.
The United States of America, we have been told, was founded upon the Hebrew Holy Scriptures however this is the biggest deception of our time. The United States of America was founded by an elite secret society who have built into the Hebrew text a much different version than those we suppose. The truth is that the Torah, scriptures (Divine Universal laws) were used to take control and set up this nation and the Universal Laws are what the Illuminiti use in the covert operation of setting up the One World Government.
Reverse of the seal of the United States of America, according to Manly P. Hall, an expert on Masonic lore, not only were many of the founders of the U.S. Government, Masons, but they received aid from a secret and august body existing in Europe, which helped them to establish the United States for “a peculiar and particular purpose known only to the initiated few.” The Great Seal, says Hall, was the signature of this exalted body, and the unfinished pyramid on its setting forth symbolized the task to the accomplishment of which the U.S. Government was dedicated from the day of its inception.” The eagle, says Hall, was apparently intended to represent a phoenix, or symbol of the immortality of the human soul. (Horus) The President is called the Eagle and rightly so, because he is the Phoenix, Horus, rising from the ashes to rule as god. Horus inhabits/posses the body of the president, enabling Horus to rule eternally.
The eye above the pyramid is the most powerful amuletic symbol known as the ‘Wadjat Eye’ or ‘Eye of Horus’. The imagery of the ‘Sound Eye’ (‘Wadjat’ in Egyptian) is a puissant sign of protection and perfection and takes the form of a human eye with a cosmetic line and eyebrow, with the feathered marking of a hawk’s cheek below it.
This eye above the pyramid represents the ability to see inter dimensionally giving the Antichrist the ability to be all knowing, seeing the past and the future. The Pyramid with its capstone in place, created a vortex that tore the curtain apart that separated this third dimension from the fourth dimension opening the gateway of the gods. The tower of Babel was being erected in this same manner and for the same purpose. Thus the true meaning of this eye is Control, the ability to take surveillance of everything that takes place in every corner of the world.
Take a close look at the back of any dollar bill and you will see this half finished pyramid with the all seeing eye above it.
Have you ever wondered why outside every capitol building including the Vatican there is a pinnacle, which represents a phalus. These pinnacles generate a negative, very aggressive energy, that produces aggressive male sexual energy and the energy of war enabling the control of men to be used to carry out their covert aggressive actions. .
The goal of this exalted body was and is to resurrect the Egyptian, Babylonian Mysteries of the Universe thus ruling the world. The half finished pyramid represents this goal, which was founded upon the Great Pyramids and the powers they possessed.
This entailed reviving the old Babylonian Mysteries. Which is being accomplished through bloodshed including the blood of 52 million killed during the inquisition and the 6 million killed in the concentration camps. Such tactics served to wear down the keepers of the Universal Mysteries until they shared them with a few people.

Love and Light, Midge

The scriptures tell of a time when man would turn away from the Universal knowledge contained within the Torah (the first five books of the bible), this time is referred to as the apostasy. We are now living in that time. The apostasy is predicted in 2Thessalonians.
2Thessalonians 2:1-3: About the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, brothers, and our being gathered to Him: please do not be too easily thrown into confusion or alarmed by any manifestation of the Spirit or any statement or any letter claiming to come from us, suggesting that the Day of the Lord has already arrived. Never let anyone deceive you in any way. It cannot happen until the Apostasy has taken place and there has appeared the wicked One, the lost One, the Enemy, who raises himself above every so called God or object of worship to enthrone himself in God’s sanctuary and flaunts the claim that he is God..

Jude 1:3-4 I felt that I must write to you encouraging you to fight hard for the faith which has been once and for all entrusted to God’s holy people. Certain people have infiltrated among you, who were long ago marked down for condemnation on this account; without any reverence they pervert the grace of our heavenly Father to debauchery and deny all religion, rejecting our only Master and Savior Jesus Christ.
Ezekiel 22:26Her priests have violated My law, and have profaned Mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and the profane, neither have they showed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from My Sabbaths, and I am profaned among them,”
John 3:19: And the judgment is this: though the light has come into the world people have preferred darkness to the light because their deeds are evil.
Martyrdom and Ascension of Isaiah 3:21-31: And afterwards, at His approach, His disciples will abandon the teaching of the twelve apostles, and their faith, and their love, and their purity. And there will be much contention at His coming and at His approach. And in those days there will be many who will love office, although lacking wisdom. And there will be many wicked elders and shepherds who wrong their sheep, and they will be rapacious because they do not have holy shepherds. And many will exchange the glory of the robes of the saints for the robes of those who love money; and there will be much respect of persons in those days, and lovers of the glory of this world. And there will be many slanderers and much vainglory at the approach of Jesus, and the Holy Spirit will withdraw from many. And in those days there will not be many prophets, nor those who speak reliable words, except one here and there in different places, because of the spirit of error and of fornication, and of vainglory, and of the love of money, which there will be among those who are said to be servants of that One, and among those who receive that One. And among the shepherds and the eldersthere will be great hatred towards one another. For there will be great jealousy in the last days, for everyone will speak whatever pleases him in his own eyes. And they will make ineffective the prophecy of the prophets who were before me, and my visions also, they will make ineffective, in order that they may speak what bursts our of their heart.
Acts 20:28-30: Be on your guard for yourselves and for all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you the overseers, to feed the church of God which he bought with the blood of his own Son. I know quite well that when I have gone fierce wolves will invade you and will have no mercy on the flock. Even from your own ranks there will be men comingforward with a travesty of the truth on their lips to induce the disciples to follow them. So be on your guard, remembering how night and day for three years I never slackened in counseling each one of you with tears.

It is written in 2 Timothy that in the last days the church will only keep up an outward appearance of righteousness but will reject the power of it. When was the last time you saw someone raised from the dead? Didn't Jesus say that anybody who believed in Jesus could do these things and even greater things?

2 Timothy 3:1-5: You may be quite sure that in the last days there will be some difficult times. People will be self-centered and avaricious, boastful, arrogant and rude; disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, irreligious; heartless and intractable; they will be slanderers, profligates, savages and enemies of everything that is good; they will be treacherous and reckless and demented by pride, preferring their own pleasure to God. They will keep up the outward appearance of religion but will have rejected the inner POWER of it. Keep away from people like that.

Paul tells us of a time, which is now, when people will not accept sound teachings but will choose teachers that will say what they want to hear, they will not listen to the truth. We are indeed in the time of the apostasy.
2 Timothy 4:2-5: Proclaim the message and, welcome or unwelcome, insist on it. Refutefalsehood, correct error, give encouragement, but do all with patience and with care to instruct. The time is sure to come when people will not accept sound teaching, but their ears will be itching and they will collect themselves a whole series of teachers according to their own tastes; and then they will shut their ears to the truth stories.
2 Peter 2:1-3: As there were false prophets in the past history of our people, so you too will have your false teachers, who will insinuate their own disruptive views and, by disowning Jesus who bought them freedom, will bring upon themselves speedy destruction. Many will copy their debauched behavior and the Way of Truth will be brought into disrepute on their account. In their greed they will try to make a profit out of you with untrue tales. But the judgment made upon them long ago is not idle, and the destruction awaiting them is forever on the watch.
2 Peter 2:18-20: With their high-sounding but empty talk they tempt back people who have scarcely escaped from those who live in error, by playing on the disordered desires of their human nature and by debaucheries. They may promise freedom but are themselves slaves to corruption; because if anyone lets himself be dominated by anything, then he is a slave to it; and anyone who has escaped the pollution of the world by coming to know our master and savior Jesus Christ, and who then allows himself to be entangled and mastered by it a second time, ends up by being worse than he was before. It would have been better for them never to have learnt the way of uprightness, than to learn it and then desert the holy commandment that was entrusted to them. What they have done is exactly as the proverb rightly says: The dog goes back to its vomit, and; as soon as the sow has been washed, it wallows in the mud.
Peter warns against distorting the teachings of Paul since he writes in such an obscure manner.
2 Peter 3:16: In all his letters there are of course some passages which are hard to understand, and these are the ones that uneducated and unbalanced people distort, in the same way as they distort the rest of scripture, to their own destruction. Since you have been forewarned about this, my dear friends, be careful that you do not come to the point of losing the firm ground that you are standing on, carried away by the errors of unprincipled people. Instead, continue to grow in the grace and in the knowledge of our master and savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory, in time and eternity. Amen.

The apostles foretold, not a universal, widespread popular growth of the true Church, but a falling away from the truth on the part of the great majority. Prophesying to the Thessalonians a universal falling away from the faith once delivered, Paul stated in 11 Thessalonians 2:7, “The mystery of iniquity doth already work.”
Matthew 7:13-14: “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide, and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter by it. For the gate is small, and the way is narrow that leads to life, and FEW are those who find it.

The apostate church is pictured with great pomp, ritual and display, decked inpurple, scarlet and gold proud, worldly, boastful. All the Western nations are pictured as spiritually drunk from the blood of the saints.
Please understand that the Protestant church is the child of the Roman Catholic church fundamentally holding the same teachings and holidays but divided against each other about their rituals, however, they are still a family and they have the same family name, Christian.
The NT says that the gates of hell would not prevail against the church, it is prophesied in the New Testament to be the "“little flock"” never a large, popular church.
Luke 12:32: “There is no need to be afraid, little flock, for it has pleased your Father to give you the kingdom.”
Matthew 7:13: “Enter by the narrow gate, since the road that leads to destruction is wide and spacious, and many take it; but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and ONLY A FEW FIND IT.”

Jesus also said that in that day many would say "Lord, Lord didn't I proposey in your name and didn't I drive out demons in your name" And Jesus replied: Depart from me, You who practiced iniquity.

The apostate church is depicted in the New Testament as being a part of the Holy Roman Empire and being a great and powerful church, a part of the world, ruling in its politics. The Christian church is one of the biggest organizations in the entire world and has it hand in every form of politics.
We are living in this time and all of the world is now set up for the NWO/OWO.

Love and Light, Midge
Hermanutics is important because it allows the serious student of the Scriptures to understand, in context, what the author's orignal intended meaning is. Hermanutics takes into consideration, language, idioms, customs, scripture by scripture (OT and NT) cross references, definations, etc. ect. Moreover, it makes no room for the existentialist or post modern mindset and/or reader responce which says, "this is what scriptures mean to me," rather than "this is what scripture says."
Hello Terrence, Thank you for the reply.

The serious student of the Scriptures does not need someone else to tell him/her what they say. They can determine this on their own with higher guidance gleaning more of the intended message than using the manmade rules intended to twist the text to fit an agenda. . How do they know any better than you or me? We give our power away when we assume that we have no connection to God but somebody else some how does. God is no respecter of persons.

You wrote:
Moreover, it makes no room for the existentialist or post modern mindset and/or reader responce which says, "this is what scriptures mean to me," rather than "this is what scripture says."

My point exactly, it leaves no room for the individual to say this is what scripture means to me. It is a form of mind control. Making you believe what those men who sat at the council of Nicea want you to believe.
Source has the ability to talk to the hearts of each person alive and does so. We are all given just what we can assimilate into our consciousness at any given time. The bible itself states that once you have the Holy Spirit you are no longer in need of a "schoolmaster" (manmade rules to teach you) because the Holy Spirit will teach you.

Love and Light, Midge
Hey Midge, whats up?

The serious student of the Scriptures does not need someone else to tell him/her what they say. They can determine this on their own with higher guidance gleaning more of the intended message than using the manmade rules intended to twist the text to fit an agenda. . How do they know any better than you or me? We give our power away when we assume that we have no connection to God but somebody else some how does. God is no respecter of persons.

I agree. However, we must take into consideration one important thing - namely, presuppositions. We all have it, you see. I dont have to learn from this pastor or that theologian to adopt a supposition. I can do what you say to do, e.g., read the bible myself and use whatever "higher guidence" and still have presuppositions. Its just the way the human is build - we suck. But, here's a good thing to consider. If you are born agian, that is to say, if God has been pleased to give you the miricle of new birth whereby you will have His Spirit in you and you will be able to fear Him and keep His Statues, you WILL understand the scripture and the Holy Spirit will guild you into understanding. Its a promise in Scripture, so if you're a believer, you'll believe it. If you're not born agian and happen to know the Bible from front to back, you'll be like Voltair, I suppose? You'll have head knowledge about the Bible without ever understanding its glorious messages. Was this too Christian of an answer?

My point exactly, it leaves no room for the individual to say this is what scripture means to me. It is a form of mind control. Making you believe what those men who sat at the council of Nicea want you to believe. Source has the ability to talk to the hearts of each person alive and does so. We are all given just what we can assimilate into our consciousness at any given time. The bible itself states that once you have the Holy Spirit you are no longer in need of a "schoolmaster" (manmade rules to teach you) because the Holy Spirit will teach you.

The Bible states that once you have the Holy Spirit you will be lead into truth and have no need for a teacher. However, elsewhere other verses say that God will lead you into truth by Good and sound preachers and teachers and evanglist and thelogians, whom He will appoint to lead His flock. Is this a contradiction? Certianly not. The two scriptures can harmonize easily. About the Nicean Concil though. That happened in 325 because the Chrisitans at that time were forced to basically state what Christianity was and/or is. There were so many heresies going on at that time that those men came together and basically said, "OK people this is what Christianity is...Take it our leave it." The Nicean concil was a good thing, as well as all the other concils that occured throughout Church history and even today. All that said though, hermanutics is a good thing and can be very useful, especially if you're saved or born agian.

Grace and Peace and Love,

Hello again Terrence,
Is Terrence you real name. That is my younger brother's name and he would have started this post the exact same way you did, with "What's up?" He very seldom starts an his email's to me with that same intro.

As far as presupposition goes, I was brought up in a Christian family and I continued this tradition with all the jaded ideas I had been taught. However I never simply went to church and went home and forgot about it. I came home and read the bible. Back in the late 70's while attending and Apostolic Pentecostal Jesus Only Church, I would cringe every time the preacher would say that anybody who believed in a trinity believed in three different gods. I grew up in a non denominational Trinitarian church and I knew that I never thought there were three gods. This made me start digging deep looking at all the text to see if a trinity of any kind could be found. I loved going to church, it was my family and when I left it (eight years ago), I grieved the loss as you would the lose of a family member. I couldn't wait until the next meeting to attend it. I guess my learning started at birth but my real learning began when I started praying for wisdom and knowledge along with discernment back in the early 80's. Whenever the church asked for prayer requests this was my request. I would pray asking God to open my mind so I could take in his/her knowledge and I asked that as soon as my mind was opened that God would put guarding angels around my mind guarding it so no untruth could enter it. Next I asked God to empty my mind of any preconceived ideas I had about the Scriptures and to teach me anew and it has been an awesome journey to say the least. For the past twenty years I have spent 8-12 hours a day studying and 24 hours a day in prayer. My insides at times feel like they will explode as I grieve to know the divine will of Source.
Yes, I have presuppositions that were bread into me however I have let go of many of them which has brought me to where I am today in my understanding of the nature of things. What I means is that I had ideas and thoughts as to what the bible said in part from my parents and in part from my upbringing in the church however I have been able to let a lot of them go by the wayside due to intense studying and much prayer. Never praying to let them go, merely praying for Divine truth to be revealed to me. And yes I was a born again christian who never missed the opportunity to attend church and at one time I sat on the Mission board at the church I attended and spent in the mission field. However, I now know that when the bible talks about being born again it is talking about reincarnation.

Every time I came to an understand of a scripture that opposed what I had been thought I spend much time (some times years) in prayer and grieved over weather this was right because the hardest thing in life to change is your belief system. Some times I bit off more than I could chew and almost choked however once I digested what I was chocking on, that had left a bitter taste in my mouth, how very sweet was the taste of it.

Line upon line, precept upon precept, here a little, there a little.

You wrote:
The Bible states that once you have the Holy Spirit you will be lead into truth and have no need for a teacher. However, elsewhere other verses say that God will lead you into truth by Good and sound preachers and teachers and evanglist and thelogians"

Just one more example of the contradictions within the bible. Please give me the scripture you are referring to about the good and sound preachers. The Niacin Council was the Hershey.

If you are truly born again you do not need a man to teach manmade doctrine. You have the holy spirit within to guide and teach you into divine truth.

Love and Light, Midge:)
Hey Midge,

Yep. My real name is Terrence. Good to meet you! So, you believe that being born again is talking about reincarnation? Wow! I cant say that I've ever heard that before, its interesting. As for the scripture text you wanted. I didnt qoute them verbatim but instead gave you God's standards for pastors as stated in 1 Tim. 6:14, 1 Tim. 3:2, 4-5; Titus 1:6 and some other places that Im too lazy to look up. Basically what I was getting at is that the Holy Spirit will lead us in God's truth (not any truth) no matter where it is or who will teach us. So, you believe the bible has contradictions? So how do you understand the bible? Whats its underlinning message? And, who's Jesus to you?

Grace and Peace and Love,

Hey Terrence, Nice to meet you.

Yes I believe that being born again has to do with reincarnation. This was taught as a common teaching in the church before the Council of Nicea. John 3:3-8: (paraphrased) Where Jesus tells Nicademus that we must be born again to enter the kingdom of Heaven. Nicademus asked how a man can enter the second time into his mother's womb and Jesus says, that which is born of flesh is flesh and that which is born of spirit is spirit and that which is born of the flesh is flesh, marvel not that I say unto you, you must be born again. Just like the wind you don't know where it is coming from and you can't see where it is going, so is every one born of the spirit. Then Jesus goes on to tell them that they don't understand the universal science of the day so how can they understand if he told them how the spirit can enter a mother a second time.

The question Jesus is answering is: how can a man enter into his mother's womb a second time? Jesus replied that the spirit moves about like the wind and we can't see it and don't understand where it came from or where it is going. Then proceeds to tell them that they are not equipped to understand this type of science because they don't have enough understand as yet.

The scriptures say that John the Baptist was Elijah come again.

None of the scriptures you have provided say that we need someone to teach us. These scriptures deal with our personal home life.

NAS 1 Timothy 6:14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1 Timothy 3:2 An overseer, then, must be above reproach, (b)the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, uncontentious, free from the love of money.

1 Timothy 3:4 He must be one who (a)manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity
1 Timothy 3:5 For if he knoweth not how to guide his own house well, how can he guide the church of God.

Literal Greek translation: 1 Timothy 3
2. believing the speech since anybody responsible aspires to healthy (soundness, fitness) actions desire
4. the private home beautifully engaged in (devoted onself to, help, care for, direct, lead) child has within obedience among all (supreme, greatest) dignity.
5. if on the other hand anybody the private (one's own) home engages in not understanding how assemble Theou care for

The only truth is God's truth everything else is merely illusion.

Yes, I believe that the bible is full of contradictions and there is a thread I started in the Comparative Religion area of this web site that I started if you care to take a look.

I have gone back to the Hebrew and Greek text and thrown all the rules that have been applied to these languages out the window and I merely let the Holy Spirit teach me and so far it all lines up with Quantum Physics and Unified field Physics. The first five books of the Bible are the Torah and according to the Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language the word Torah means: a book containing all the science of the universe. This lines up with what I have found in my translations. The bible is a book that teaches us how to literally change our reality using creation physics.
It teaches that Source (God) is a unified field of consciousness that beyond our understanding that it outside of dimensionality. It teaches a multi dimensional universe. Which lines up with the book of Enoch. Enoch said that he was taken into the seventh heaven which is the seventh dimension in the third harmonic universe. A dimension is merely a frequency band and unless you hold the frequency you can not experience the dimension. Just like a radio, where all the channels are there but unless you tune into the right frequency band you can't hear the music that on the channel.

It teaches that Source is and energy field of pure Love that is conscious. This consciousness had a thought and this thought created a field for that thought to take form. The thought that took form held its own consciousness to experience in. This thought in turn had a thought and it created a frequency field one dimensional band below it which in turn did the same and so on down to the bottom where we exist. We are here to experience and learn how to Love in all things which increases our energy holding capacity which will enable us to hold the frequency of the higher dimensions (heavens). We reincarnate until we build up enough energy holding capacity to ascend into the higher realms. However the fallen angels have manipulated things and at the present Revelation is being played out pretty much as it is translated. However the original text of Revelation gets into the physics of what is happening and who the fallen angels are. What has been termed hell is a black whole that is our milky galaxy. Science is aware of this black whole. This is an unnatural black whole. There are natural black wholes but these are attached to white wholes. An unnatural black whole pulls everything in its path into it (it vampires energy off of other systems). A natural black hole with a white hole attached pulls energy into it and then breaths it back out through the white whole. This is the natural in and out breath of Source. The Fallen Angels have disconnected their connection to source therefore they are no longer eternal beings and this means the only way they can survive is to vampire energy into their black whole system. However as this black whole sucks this entire universe into it many of the people on this planet will be pulled in with the planet. The black hole has been put in a kind of quarantine and can no longer pull energy from other universes, however this universe is already being pulled into it. Once the energy is used up within this black hole, it will implode and all in it will go back to Source as space dust.
All that exists is Source and nothing exists outside of source therefore even the fallen ones will return to Source but as space dust with very little consciousness. The hell in this is that these beings have been hell bend on control of others and at that point they will not be able to control anything because they don't have the consciousness to even self realize.
Jesus was a 12th dimensional being who came all the way down her into this 3rd dimension to teach us about this stellar activation cycle that we are presently living through. A stellar activation cycle is when portals (vortices of energy) open and allow higher dimensional energy to enter this dimension. If this cycle had gone well we would have progressively moved into the 6th dimension by the year 2012 fully feeling it by 2017. However this is not going to happen and the star gates have started closing. Source has opened what are called the hub gates that lead back to the Jhardon of Edon. It is called the in breath of God in which those who have maintained their integrity will be breathed back into the Jhardon of Edon, and rebirthed on the out breath with a new heaven and earth. The Jhardon of Edon holds our Divine Blue Print and we will return to that pattern of perfection. We will have a choice as to whether we want to come back out or stay a while. If you read the Dead Sea Scrolls the Teacher of Righteousness was Jesus. Jesus was not crucified, he simply decided it was time to leave and ascended. Jesus is supposed to come back in the year 2012 if we are still here.
The Arc of the Covenant was a big gold box that housed portal opening tools, the rod and the staff. These tools are radio active which is why the Levite's had to use wood poles to carry it and this is why anybody who touched it died.

Love and Light, Midge:)
Wow Midge, that was a LOT! OK, here's how I understand Jesus' teaching of being born again. It can be summed up in the promise of the new covernant that God made with His people in Eze. 36:38-39, where God will sprinkly water, change man's heart and put His spirit in man so that man will love God, fear Him, and Keep His commandments. Jesus inacted the new covernant in the NT and confirmed it at the last supper..."this cup is the new covernant."

As for the bible contradictions. Well, thats a very deep topic that I choose to not go into. I could say that there isnt any contraditions but that will be to no avail, Im sure. So, I'll stop here. Take it easy Midge.
Hi Terrence, Thank you for the reply. Are you sure you gave me there correct bible reference? Because Ezekiel 36 only has 38 verses and doesn't say anything about being sprinkled with water. Ezekiel is written to Israel the Jews not the Christian Church.

Ezekiel 36:37 'Thus says the Lord God, "This also I will let the house of Israel ask Me to do for them: I will increase their men like a flock.
Ezekiel 36:38 "Like the flock for sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem during her appointed feasts, so will the waste cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they will know that I am the LORD."'"

I spent most of my life in the church and I understand their meaning for the word born again. However from what I understood the term (not the church concept) was taken from John 3:3 which is talking about reincarnation not a change of heart. We are never to live in fear, which is the opposite expression of Love. Jesus did not change the Old Testament in any way shape of form. The New Covenant was given to let us know that the laws given in the OT which man had changed into judicial laws, would be put within our hearts once we had the holy spirit within us. Then we would follow them from a natural instinct without being told what they were. Baptism (which I assume you are referring to when you mention sprinkling water) was never intended as a sprinkling. Baptism means to be buried in water. In the year 251 AD the 1st. record in history of a man being sprinkled. Novation 1st recorded man to be sprinkled. During the years 251 AD- 753 AD they practiced sick bed baptisms. In 753 AD Pope Stephen II declared "You can take your choice - sprinkling or immersion." In 1311 at the Council of Ravenna the Church abolished immersion. The Pope said that sprinkling was more convenient. However this is not how baptism was or is supposed to administered. Water holds an energy/consciousness/spirit that is healing among other things. In Hebrew it is called a Mikvah (not sure of the English transliteration/spelling) and this must be done in so many gallons of water with the entire body immersed, every hair of the head must be soaked.

Love and Light, Midge
Sorry Midge, I gave you the wrong address. The scripture is Eze. 36:25-27. I understand Jesus' reference to being born again is due to God changing a person by giving them the miricle of new birth. The new birth is a gift that God gives and Jesus was explaining this to Nicademus who understood Jesus' metaphor of being born agian and us having not one thing to do with it. Niccademus responded with an objection to what he percieved as absurdity. He said to Jesus, "can a man go back into his mother's womb again and be born a second time?" Jesus went on to maintian His teaching without softening the truth and said "unless a man is born of water and Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." The water and Spirit reference is in correlation to the Eze. scripture I gave you. Its the only place in the bible that the "water and spirit" are used in context of God changing a person's heart condition and dealing with salvation. On a side note, this explains why people fall away from the truth, it has to deal with true and false converstion. When God changes someone and gives them eyes to see the supposed "foolishess" of the Bible and changes their heart to love God (His way), the man who is spiritually dead in sin and dead to God becomes spiritually alive. The new man sees himself as the wretch he is and trust completely in Jesus that he may be saved. Without true repentence and Trust in Christ one cannot be saved.