toujour_333 said:well, to my limited knowledge of the dharma, it is not ok to kill anything that pulsates with the breathe of life, however, i think that it is ok to defend oneself, but to do so with minimal harm to the other person. however, myself personally, i would rather die than build up that bad karma, not to mention that the person that would be trying to harm you is a part of you, and therefore, by killing or harming said person, you are also harming or killing yourself as well. therefore, i dont see a purpose in killing whatsoever, therefore i would be a pacifist, if thats what you would call it, but i prefer the term buddha-to-be.
No essential nature said:I remember also, a story about a Zen master who would sneak up behind his students and try to hit them with his staff, to check whether they were paying attention or not. One time, a student had an inherited illness or for another reason died when he was hit. Yet the teacher was able to use the fearsome reputation he aquired from this to ensure more than 10 enlightened successors. Did the killing create bad karma?
Snoopy said:I think this is from Zen Flesh Zen Bones, is it not? I keep a copy at work to keep chipping away at. All I can say is, I'm glad I wasn't that student. (Or maybe the story was just a fiction to make a point.....which currently eludes me!)
Maybe you were? Everybody dies, not everybody truly lives.. ! I don't think the point was in anyway hidden, but perhaps you should understand the cultural context, and what kind of people became monks. It wasn't so much a religious calling generally as somewhere to send spare sons, who as such would often not be too keen to be there and quite young and unruly.
Zen Flesh Zen Bones is simply a compilation of many older texts, though it is indeed where I read it most recently. Quite a quick read I thought, I surprised you didn't just zip through it..?