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I've had one myself (brief details to follow) but I'm still deeply suspicious of them as 'evidence' of an afterlife.
(that doesn't mean I don't believe in an afterlife, or God etc)

I think most (not all) have an as yet unknown medical/ psycological/ biochemical explanation (that I wouldn't have a hope of understanding if/when it's discovered).

My reasoning behind this is simple-as a rule a Christian sees what a Christian should (sort of) expect. A Muslim sees what a Muslim should expect and so on...

Details of my experiance;
(any omited details are 'private'-strange as that may seem as I'm about 95% sure it was, for want of a better phrase, an halucination)

Physical details;
I was 24 at the time-in bad shape physically (I was going through rehab for a drug addiction), and the only kind of 'afterlife' I had any real knowledge about was from Christianity.
I was flat-lineing (brain, heart, resperation) for just under 10 minutes (yes I was hooked up to medical monitors at the time, so that's not a guess)

What I saw;
There was no tunnel/light etc.
I simple found myself standing on a beach (fine white sand, 'strong' looking sea, going inland was a rocky area then grass and woodland/forest to mountains in the distance.

For a while I was alone then a woman rode up to me from further along the beach, she was on horse back.
When she reached me at first we didn't speak, I made a fuss of her horse (I've always liked horses and shortly after this experiance I learnt how to ride).
When we did speak we talked about a lot of things (this bit comes under 'private') and then she offered me a choice; I could go with her or go back.

My choice was to go back-I've often asked myself why...

I woke up/ came around/ came 'back to life' just as I was being declaired dead (that's a very 'physical' shock-trust me), they'd actually stopped giving cpr and had 'given up'.


Not sure what the point of this thread is-a general discussion on near death experiances? Does anyone else want to share theirs? Has any one got a single clue as to why I say what I say-or if there's any spiritual/religious fields/belief that would recognise their beliefs in what I saw.
Just a general discussion realy.
 
pfw said:
I've had one myself (brief details to follow) but I'm still deeply suspicious of them as 'evidence' of an afterlife.
(that doesn't mean I don't believe in an afterlife, or God etc)

I think most (not all) have an as yet unknown medical/ psycological/ biochemical explanation (that I wouldn't have a hope of understanding if/when it's discovered).

My reasoning behind this is simple-as a rule a Christian sees what a Christian should (sort of) expect. A Muslim sees what a Muslim should expect and so on...

Details of my experiance;
(any omited details are 'private'-strange as that may seem as I'm about 95% sure it was, for want of a better phrase, an halucination)

Physical details;
I was 24 at the time-in bad shape physically (I was going through rehab for a drug addiction), and the only kind of 'afterlife' I had any real knowledge about was from Christianity.
I was flat-lineing (brain, heart, resperation) for just under 10 minutes (yes I was hooked up to medical monitors at the time, so that's not a guess)

What I saw;
There was no tunnel/light etc.
I simple found myself standing on a beach (fine white sand, 'strong' looking sea, going inland was a rocky area then grass and woodland/forest to mountains in the distance.

For a while I was alone then a woman rode up to me from further along the beach, she was on horse back.
When she reached me at first we didn't speak, I made a fuss of her horse (I've always liked horses and shortly after this experiance I learnt how to ride).
When we did speak we talked about a lot of things (this bit comes under 'private') and then she offered me a choice; I could go with her or go back.

My choice was to go back-I've often asked myself why...

I woke up/ came around/ came 'back to life' just as I was being declaired dead (that's a very 'physical' shock-trust me), they'd actually stopped giving cpr and had 'given up'.


Not sure what the point of this thread is-a general discussion on near death experiances? Does anyone else want to share theirs? Has any one got a single clue as to why I say what I say-or if there's any spiritual/religious fields/belief that would recognise their beliefs in what I saw.
Just a general discussion realy.
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I find it pecular that if your heart, respiration, and brain were flatlined that it could be a hallucination. Afterall, wouldn't a hallucination be part of brain activity? But if your brain activity was flatlined, how then could you chalk it up to hallucination?:confused:

Evidently, because you didn't have a typical NDE (i.e. sense of floating, tunnel, bright light, meet loved ones, sense of timelessness, etc), nor did you have a "Christian" NDE, (i.e. meet Jesus, angels, pearly gates, streets of gold, etc) I can see why you would question whether it was real or not.Many people who have had NDEs had simliar experiences. One thing that is common with people who have had NDEs is the sharpness of sensation they have expereinced, as if everything has been greatly enhanced and detailed,which is different than having dreams and such where everything is fuzzy.
You said you found yourself on a beach. How real did it seem to you? Could you feel the sand beneath your feet, could you feel the ocean air, could you smell the sea salt? I'm just curious at this aspect of your experience.

I'm also curious, did you recognize the woman at all as someone you've meet before prior to your experience? How long do you reckoned you conversed with her? I'm wondering if because you wanted to come back that you didn't get the full experience of the NDE. That had you decided to go with her what that might have entailed. Course you might not have come back had you decided to go, who knows? But perhaps you would have been led into a typical NDE had you gone.

May I recommend as book by Howard Storm called, "My Descent into Death". He was actually an athiest before his NDE. But he received a lot of answers in his NDE about the afterlife. One question he asked was "What is the best religion?" to which he received the reply, "The best religion is the one that brings you closest to God." That statement has had a profound impact on my own thinking, particularly in regard to other religions. It seems to me a fair answer, because I find it hard for God to judge one deemed unfit for heaven purely because he happens to have been raised in the wrong faith. Somehow, I believe God must look beyond the walled garden and into each of us individually. There has to be a fairness in all this.

Anyway, thank you for sharing something so personal with us. I hope you find the answers you seek.
 
Dondi said:
I find it pecular that if your heart, respiration, and brain were flatlined that it could be a hallucination. Afterall, wouldn't a hallucination be part of brain activity? But if your brain activity was flatlined, how then could you chalk it up to hallucination?:confused:

Evidently, because you didn't have a typical NDE (i.e. sense of floating, tunnel, bright light, meet loved ones, sense of timelessness, etc), nor did you have a "Christian" NDE, (i.e. meet Jesus, angels, pearly gates, streets of gold, etc) I can see why you would question whether it was real or not.Many people who have had NDEs had simliar experiences. One thing that is common with people who have had NDEs is the sharpness of sensation they have expereinced, as if everything has been greatly enhanced and detailed,which is different than having dreams and such where everything is fuzzy.
You said you found yourself on a beach. How real did it seem to you? Could you feel the sand beneath your feet, could you feel the ocean air, could you smell the sea salt? I'm just curious at this aspect of your experience.

I'm also curious, did you recognize the woman at all as someone you've meet before prior to your experience? How long do you reckoned you conversed with her? I'm wondering if because you wanted to come back that you didn't get the full experience of the NDE. That had you decided to go with her what that might have entailed. Course you might not have come back had you decided to go, who knows? But perhaps you would have been led into a typical NDE had you gone.

May I recommend as book by Howard Storm called, "My Descent into Death". He was actually an athiest before his NDE. But he received a lot of answers in his NDE about the afterlife. One question he asked was "What is the best religion?" to which he received the reply, "The best religion is the one that brings you closest to God." That statement has had a profound impact on my own thinking, particularly in regard to other religions. It seems to me a fair answer, because I find it hard for God to judge one deemed unfit for heaven purely because he happens to have been raised in the wrong faith. Somehow, I believe God must look beyond the walled garden and into each of us individually. There has to be a fairness in all this.

Anyway, thank you for sharing something so personal with us. I hope you find the answers you seek.
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I don't chalk it up to halucination- neither do I accept I was'dead'-as far as I'm concerned the jury's out. Just because the machine was registering the electrical activity in my brain as flat-lined doesn't mean it was totaly 'dead' or that chemicial reactions in the brain couldn't have caused sometning.

Yes the experiance was extreamly real especially the physical sensations- I was only wearing jeans-the breeze was cool, quite pleasant, salty, the sand I could feel under my feet and later the grass as I walked with the woman- I even had to wipe the sand from my feet.

The time seemed to be about an hour and a half all told- and it would take about that long to 'verbatum' repeat the conversation- which is definatly odd as I was only 'gone' for about ten minutes.

The strange thing about the woman is I had never seen her before. Spooky 'coincidence' time- I've recently met some one who reminds (i.e. similar but not exactly the same me of her (at work of all places) and in the space of about six weeks we've become very close friends (no romance) and she's told me I'm one of the few people she trusts.

Like I said my jury's out on the subject- I'm interested in hearing other peoples opinions on NDE's, or mine or their's...

Thanks.
 
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