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  1. LeoSalinas22

    LeoSalinas22 merely a shadow...

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    hello everyone,

    here i am again, wanting to know what you guys think and i want your comments about these few scriptures because they are driving me insane. anyways, i keep asking myself, if God had truly rested on the seventh day then why does it seem like the Holy Spirit is going everywhere and He just doesn't sit still. it seems like He is still moving around alot, sort of like this:
    Genesis 1:2 ...And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
    He hasn't rested from what i am reading in the Bible. new species of animals are still appearing on this planet, people were and still are prophecying yesterday and today. we as man, still seem incomplete because we are still killing each other, lying to each other, etc. hardly qualities for ones who actually bear the image of the Father! for it is written:
    Psalms 17:15 As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.
    so what does that mean? that we still aren't awake? that we actually still don't bear His Image? that we still aren't in His Likeness? could the beginning of Genisis be a prophecy? for it is written:
    Psalms 95:11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
    does that mean we aren't in His resting-place yet? didn't He rest already in the seventh day? if He did, why haven't we entered His rest yet? could it be that days actually aren't days but in fact much longer? for it is written:
    Psalms 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.
    bear with me guys, please, if i seem like i am boasting let me know. if i cross the line by all means, prove me wrong, because that is the only way i am to learn from my mistakes. well, hope to garner some responses soon. hope i don't confuse any of you, which i doubt because you guys are so intelligient that it actually intimidates me and makes me doubt about what i actually think sometimes. well, i have rambled enough.
    God bless you all.
     
  2. BlaznFattyz

    BlaznFattyz Well-Known Member

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    god rested from creation on the 7th day,
    but god does not rest in his salvation.
    when we see god as he truly is,
    our eyes will be opened,
    we will be changed.
     
  3. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Leo,

    I have a decidedly non-Christian interpretation of the "God rested" phrase. However, I will not post it here, as this is a Christian thread, and I do not post non-Christian ideas in a Christian thread (out of respect). Perhaps we can start another thread in the Comparative Religions section.

    I can see how these things are driving you crazy -- they drove me crazy for years. I have finally been able to get a lot of ideas into my belief system without any conflict whatsoever. I hope you can eventually do the same.
     
  4. LeoSalinas22

    LeoSalinas22 merely a shadow...

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    hi nick, i would love to hear what your point of view is, by all means when you get the chance, start a thread on it. thanks and God bless you.
     
  5. LeoSalinas22

    LeoSalinas22 merely a shadow...

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    hi blazn,
    you are absolutely correct, blazn, He hasn't rested yet at all because He is still making us in His image. how can we be in His image or in His likeness if we are still lying, cheating, killing, destroying, etc. you know what i mean?
    amen and amen. glory and honor to our God and Father. God bless you.
     
  6. Faithfulservant

    Faithfulservant Well-Known Member

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    It helps me to look for Jesus when doing a study. These are my thoughts.

    Pslm 37:7 Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way, Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass

    Mttw 11:28-29 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

    Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath and its in Him we find our rest. So Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath.
    Hebrews 3 and 4 also touch on this subject.

    Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,' " although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

    The Spirit of God is for sure moving across this earth. You can almost pinpoint where He is working by looking at history.

    As far as being the image of God.. I take that to be the qualities of God in which we share. Logical, Creative, Intellectual Relational having Free will.. Having 3 parts Body Mind and Spirit That we can be aware of Him and be able to fellowship with Him.

    A thousand years is as but a day.. God is outside of time.. in fact He created time when He created this universe.. so time is something that does not affect Him He knows all things at all times and all possible alternate realities. I believe there are dimensions that we arent even aware of that He has complete control over. Like.. I believe when someone chooses Him their reality changes from that moment on God has complete control over everything that happens that is why we can rest in the Lord because He is in control. I think He manipulates every aspect of our lives trying to get us to that point that we say I need you Lord then its up to us to choose. Do a study on John 6:15-21 When they willingly chose to receive Him they were immediately at their destination.. think about that.. when we willingly choose to receive Him we are immediately at our destination..the kingdom of God.. thats why I believe our reality changes when we choose.

    Thanks for the thought provoking post Leo :)



     
  7. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Hi Leo —

    As others have said, God cannot be subject to change, as He is eternal and not conditioned by space or time ... so no 'movement' nor 'rest', 'work' nor 'play' etc ... as God is Absolute, and Infinite ... But as God is eternal, in our understanding of God, there must be an element of Omega, if there is an alpha.

    So in Creation, the first day is the 'beginning', and the seventh day is the 'end' ... but as God is Alpha and Omega, the 'end' is figured in the beginning.

    Put another way ... we are called to God, and our movement is towards our perfection (and as you point out, we still have a long way to go), and when we arrive at perfection, we will be in Him, and this is 'beatitude' or 'rest'.

    So it's not so much that God rested, rather that God let us know that the journey has an end, and the end in in Him, with Him, and then all travail will cease, and we shall find true rest, true peace ...

    So it's not so much the Spirit moves, but the Sipirit moves us.

    ... speed the day!

    Creation doesn't happen all at once — if it did, we'd be finished the moment we began!

    No we're not — the light shineth in the darkness, but the darkness comprehendeth it not. We are in the 'sleep' of ignorance, or not knowing ... and we will not see all, until we arrive at our destination.

    Well that's a topic for debate ... but one view is that each 'day' is not a 24-hour period, but rather a stage of development — so seven steps — you get into deep metaphysics here ... personally I really enjoy it, but it's not everyone' cup of tea.

    Again, if you think of 'rest' as 'peace' - then the world is not yet at peace with itself, nor with God. When God made the world, He saw that it was 'good', when God made man, He saw that it was 'very good' — and so He was at peace about what He had caused to be ... He was happy — again, God is not subject to peace, happiness, etc. but how else are we to understand?

    Thomas
     
  9. winner08

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    Let me first say what a great thread. (Great Job)
    secondly, truly God hasn't rested since He begin creation. On the seventh day He Stoped creating. This doen't mean He stop working. There is much to be done.

    About being in God's likeness, You are so right, we are not in God's image. We won't be until we are transformed from flesh and blood to spirit. From mortality to immortality, and from corruptible to incorruuptible. Not only from God's physical image but His inner image (love) pure love. what human has the kind of love that God has? none. do we even know what that pure love is? I say no. To be in God true espress image we have to have no human nature in us no carnality if one reads what Jesus was like in mind body and spirit (heart) He was God in the flesh This is what we need to become in order to be in God's image.

    I believe we won't be in His rest untill we are in His image.

    You are not boasting or have you went over the line. You are asking question to ansewers you would like to know. I believe God will reveal things to you when God is ready to remove the scales from your eyes. Not when you want.

    Tis is not me being a smart @%#.

    Darren
     
  10. winner08

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    Thomas you had me all the way until, yes, until you said that it is not so much the Spirit moves, it is the Spirit moves in us.

    God's Spirit is always on the move as in being sent to us by God sent for protection or sent to us for knowledge whatever the case might be. Jesus call the Holy Spirit the comforter. Jesus told the Apostles I must go so that the Comforter can be sent.

    Darren
     
  11. mee

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    Now the earth proved to be formless and waste and there was darkness upon the surface of [the] watery deep; and God’s active force was moving to and fro over the surface of the waters.
    GENESIS 1;2

    Not sure what you are asking?


    verse one says it all


    In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth.. genesis 1;1


    Gods active force certainly is a force in motion:)



     
  12. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    Has Jehovah stopped exercising his creative power?

    Well, the Bible does say that when Jehovah finished his creative work on the sixth creative day, "he proceeded to rest on the seventh day from all his work that he had made." (Genesis 2:2)


    The apostle Paul indicated that this seventh "day" is thousands of years long, for it was still ongoing in his day. (Hebrews 4:3-6)

    But does "rest" mean that Jehovah has stopped working altogether?

    No, Jehovah never stops working. (Psalm 92:4; John 5:17)

    His rest, then, must simply refer to the cessation of his work of physical creation respecting the earth.

    His work of bringing his purposes to fulfillment, however, has continued uninterrupted.

    Such work has included the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures. His work has even involved the bringing forth of "a new creation," 2 Corinthians 5:17.


    When Jehovah’s rest day finally comes to an end, he will be able to pronounce all of his work on the earth "very good," much as he did at the end of the six creative days. (Genesis 1:31)


    How he may choose to exercise his limitless creative power thereafter remains to be seen. In any event, we may be assured that we will continue to be fascinated by Jehovah’s use of creative power. Throughout all eternity, we will learn more about Jehovah through his creation. (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
    The more we learn about him, the more profound our awe will become—and the closer we will draw to our Grand Creator.


     
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  15. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Mariska-hagerty mee, *bows his head and puts hands in prayer position.* ;)

    I think it isn't that time is shorter for YHWH.

    Two minutes to me, is two minutes to you, is two minutes to a mouse, to a microbe, to an elephant, to an eagle to YHWH, time is time a period of time is a period of time and is the same length of time to anyone…. Is a pint of water a pint of water to us? But to YHWH is it half a pint? No. it’s a pint of water that is it’s measurement…. So that is what it is :D I think what we should say is YHWH has experience and extreme patience so he endures time better than us, but it is still the same amount of time surley?

    Just because he has been around longer doesn't make it any different, My grandmother is much older than myself... But she has no time portal and 24hours is, suprisingly 24hours to her just like it is for me.
     
  16. mee

    mee Interfaith Forums

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    However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.
    2 peter 3;8


    Jehovah does not view time as we do. To the One who lives forever, a thousand years are as one day. He is not restrained or pressured by time,

     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    You might also want to consider this:
    Matt 12
    1 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!”
    3 But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? 6 Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple. 7 But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

     
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    sonoman Interfaith Forums

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    In the Vedic worship of Brahma there are two Brahmas, a Sun Brahma and a Saturn Brahma, one for "unborn souls" (Sun), and one for "born" souls (Saturn). Judaism is a Semitic Near Eastern form of Brahminism that has retained the Saturn connection to Brahma in their Sabbath worship.
     

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