Truth with a capital T
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but is there any way to show what you feel to be true as true, or must we always rely on conviction and personal faith? would all people have to agree or connect with an idea for its universality to be validated?
absolutes
From Louis ....
I happen to think there IS an absolute - or "constant"-
or whatever there was before there were any humans
to have "subjective experiences" about it and it will still
be here after we're gone. Reality is what it IS - not what
we happen to THINK it is.
I said:
From Louis ....
I happen to think there IS an absolute - or "constant"-
or whatever there was before there were any humans
to have "subjective experiences" about it and it will still
be here after we're gone. Reality is what it IS - not what
we happen to THINK it is.
thinking it
From Louis...
I did a lot of puzzling about your reply.....
Surely you are not suggesting that reality does not exist
unless we are there to think about it ???
Our "thinking" consists only of our PERCEPTION of
of reality - we never know how close we come to
ACTUAL reality until we find a way to make a TEST -
an experiment that enables us to COMPARE our
perception with reality.
For example : I SEE something that looks material ...
but until I TOUCH it, I can't be certain whether or not
it IS material or something else, such as an hallucination,
optical illusion, vision..or some other projection of our
own mind.
I said:But as we cannot know what reality is unless we think it...
From Louis...
I did a lot of puzzling about your reply.....
Surely you are not suggesting that reality does not exist
unless we are there to think about it ???
Our "thinking" consists only of our PERCEPTION of
of reality - we never know how close we come to
ACTUAL reality until we find a way to make a TEST -
an experiment that enables us to COMPARE our
perception with reality.
For example : I SEE something that looks material ...
but until I TOUCH it, I can't be certain whether or not
it IS material or something else, such as an hallucination,
optical illusion, vision..or some other projection of our
own mind.
What I mean is that our experience of reality is entirely dictated to via our sensory experience.
And that sensory experience can be very flawed.
Also note that our sensory experience is actually based on a very narrow band of sensory expereinces - not least the wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum that we can see, and the frequencies of sound that we hear.
However, that is merely the start of my own argument.
Other people would go much farther and indeed agree with your perlexing statement - that reality does not exist until we observe it. This is a core paradox of Quantum Physics - notably illustrated by the thought experiment known as Schrodinger's Cat.
If WHKieth replies he will almost certainly provide a much fuller explanation of that point of view.
And that sensory experience can be very flawed.
Also note that our sensory experience is actually based on a very narrow band of sensory expereinces - not least the wavelengths of the electromagnetic spectrum that we can see, and the frequencies of sound that we hear.
However, that is merely the start of my own argument.
Other people would go much farther and indeed agree with your perlexing statement - that reality does not exist until we observe it. This is a core paradox of Quantum Physics - notably illustrated by the thought experiment known as Schrodinger's Cat.
If WHKieth replies he will almost certainly provide a much fuller explanation of that point of view.