its been born

[Thomas]

Hi Mee —

Two things:
One: Using your methodology, one can quite easily derive any date one likes from Scripture ... and it's been proven that by using your methodology, one can come up with any piece of data at all ... names, places, dates, events ...

You can do the same with any sizeable text. The example I was shown was Moby Dick, from which one could extract exactly the same information, 1914, all of it ... if you wanted.

Two: Each age always sees prophecy as referring to itself more than any other, and interprets the 'signs' according to itself.

Sorry, but the system has been proven to be flawed Mee, it's man made, and made to come up with the answer you're looking for. As the history of your own tradition demonstrates, when one date doesn't work, you go back and manipulate the data until it reads the way you want it to, and declare the prior reading an error or unfortunate mistake ...

Thomas

 

[mee]

Hi all,

Mee, I know you are ignoring me from my last post. Though let me ask you a question. Will not Christ reign on earth or in Heaven?

"You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth." (Revelation 5:10)

Will we reign with Christ in Heaven?

"[35]But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" [36]How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. [37]When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. [38]But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body."

[42]So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;

those who are going to heaven will have to die in the flesh and then they will be resurrected with a spirit body to live in heaven . and the bible says it will be 144,000 of them

 

[mee]

Hi Mee —

Two things:
One: Using your methodology, one can quite easily derive any date one likes from Scripture ... and it's been proven that by using your methodology, one can come up with any piece of data at all ... names, places, dates, events ...

You can do the same with any sizeable text. The example I was shown was Moby Dick, from which one could extract exactly the same information, 1914, all of it ... if you wanted.

Two: Each age always sees prophecy as referring to itself more than any other, and interprets the 'signs' according to itself.

Sorry, but the system has been proven to be flawed Mee, it's man made, and made to come up with the answer you're looking for. As the history of your own tradition demonstrates, when one date doesn't work, you go back and manipulate the data until it reads the way you want it to, and declare the prior reading an error or unfortunate mistake ...

Thomas

its good how it works out right on time now we are well along and things are moving ahead very nicely. bible prophecy always comes true

 

[mee]

[42]So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;

yes the old fleshly body is perishable, but the new body is forever . just like Jesus is .

 

[mee]

Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source." john 18;36 its in heaven and it is born right on time .

 

[Azure24]

Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source." john 18;36 its in heaven and it is born right on time .

Yes Jesus' Kingdom is not on Earth BUT!

Christ will rule on earth...

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. [10]You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." (Revelation 5:9-10)

Read...

"22For as in Adam ALL die, so in Christ ALL will be made alive[this eventually happens in the end]. 23But each in his own turn[this will NOT happen immediately BUT in TURNS]: Christ[is first], the firstfruits; then[next], when he comes, those who belong to him[the rightous/his followers are second]. 24Then the end will come[the end of Christ's reign with all the rightous lasting an EONIAN (Mostly 9 out of 10 times, the word "Eternal" is wrongly translated from the Greek word for eonian/age-abiding life )], when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all[I hardly doubt the Bible means "a few", but instead ALL]".

This is very clear! It then goes on to say this...

34Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God [I wonder who?]—I say this to your shame[shame on you mee!].

Are there enemies in Heaven? Are these enemies: domionion, authority and power in Heaven? Is Death in Heaven? No! After and I say AFTER HE "has put verything under his feet" on EARTH! Then He (and everything else) will be made subject to God. In God's Knigdom (which is ALL in ALL).

 

[cyberpi]

The dark clouds I'm talking about symbolize things that keep people from seeing the light.

Hence the disguise... the blessing in disguise. The cloud from which God speaks.

But the foundation of your belief is that someone else's light can somehow block yours, which I find is not true. Light does not block or bury light. There is light even in a LIE and if someone does decieve me then it does not stop me from someday learning the truth.

Alternatively, consider that information is conveyed by contrast. Light and dark. Light alone will blind you, and then you will be in darkness. So if you have a light, and you want to shine, then come on over to where you think there is darkness... so that you can shine brightly, with contrast. Conveying information requires contrast. Blessing in disguise.

 

[Saltmeister]

I was going to ask how a dark cloud could be a blessing, but now I see what you are saying. Finding the light doesn't always mean doing what the alleged light-holders do. Sometimes we find the light by comparing ourselves to the alleged light-holders.

 

[cyberpi]

I was going to ask how a dark cloud could be a blessing, but now I see what you are saying. Finding the light doesn't always mean doing what the alleged light-holders do. Sometimes we find the light by comparing ourselves to the alleged light-holders.

I was saying nothing of the sort. The quality you place on light is your own, and seeing some things does require doing.

I submit: If someone from XYZ says, "Don't listen to ABC because they are evil." Then XYZ has only cast a light... their own light. If XYZ has information or an opinion but retains it, keeps it a secret, then they have cast a cloud... their own cloud. True?

There is a limit to the amount of information my brain can cope with, or I may not be of age to see something, so any cloud preventing me from seeing something can be a real blessing in disguise. There are many, many things that I simply do not wish to know.

In a literal way, dark clouds take history and throw it into outer-space where man can't see it any more, sending fresh rain down here to collect and carry more things away. Blessing in disguise. Those dark rain clouds fill the bath tub, the sink, the toilet, and the glass that I drink from. They are a blessing in disguise.

 

[mee]

Yes Jesus' Kingdom is not on Earth BUT!

Christ will rule on earth...

"You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals, because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased men for God from every tribe and language and people and nation. [10]You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth." (Revelation 5:9-10)

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dont forget the beginning of the verse you have forgotten it here it is,


And they sing a new song, saying:


yes ,the one who is worthy to open the scroll is Jesus . and the ones singing the song are these ones in revelation 14;3

And they are singing as if a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders; and no one was able to master that song but the hundred and forty-four thousand, who have been bought from the earth. revelation 14;3 yes it is those bought from the earth .

 

[mee]

Are there enemies in Heaven? Are these enemies: domionion, authority and power in Heaven? Is Death in Heaven? No! After and I say AFTER HE "has put verything under his feet" on EARTH! Then He (and everything else) will be made subject to God. In God's Knigdom (which is ALL in ALL).

the earth will be brought back to paradise , and it will all come about through God kingdom ,with Jesus as a ruling king .

even death will be swallowed up and then peace and everlasting life will abound .

Jesus is even now bringing his people into a spiritual paradise, but when all his work is done it will be a litral paradise on earth . Yes Jesus certainly is a ruling king and right now he is directing a great global preaching work to make known about Gods heavenly kingdom matthew 24;14 matthew 28;19-20

 

[mee]

The Kingdom Is Born!

The sounding of the seventh trumpet announces the birth of the Kingdom. (11:15–12:17) In heaven a symbolic woman (Jehovah God’s heavenly organization) gives birth to a male child (God’s Kingdom with Christ as King), but the dragon (Satan) tries in vain to devour it.
Climaxing the war in heaven following the Kingdom’s birth in 1914, victorious Michael (Jesus Christ) casts the dragon and its angels down to the earth. There the dragon continues to wage war against the anointed remnant of the heavenly woman’s seed.

 

[mee]

Loyal Supporters of the Kingdom are doing this.




"This good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come."—Matthew 24:14; Mark 13:10.





"I saw in the night-visions, and, behold, there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man, and . . . there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom."—Dan. 7:13, 14, AS.
this happened in 1914




The facts show that the many things spoken of in Matthew 24 and other prophecies began to take place from and after 1914 particularly.



The world in general does not recognize nor will it ever accept God’s kingdom as being established.



all persons are now under judgment


The world is proved wrong in its views about God’s kingdom. His kingdom has come, and world leaders are asleep to its presence. Shake loose from the many erroneous views and take notice of the many facts in fulfillment of Bible prophecy. (Psalm 2; Dan. 2:44, AS)