Nāgārjuna

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  1. Snoopy

    Snoopy Active Member

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    I thought I’d create a receptacle for all things Acharya Nāgārjuna. I don’t have anything specific to post at present, I just thought I’d start a thread for quotes, references, resources, book recommendations, comments, discussion…whatever…for “the second Buddha.”

    Feel free…:).....

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  2. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Although you may spend your life killing, You will not exhaust all your foes. But if you quell your own anger, your real enemy will be slain.
    ~Nāgārjuna
     
  3. Devadatta

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    Nagarjuna is the one true man of the left.
    Nagarjuna is the one true man of the left out.
    Nagarjuna is the one true man of the left out of account.
    Yet Nagarjuna is not truly a man of the left.
    Nagarjuna is not truly (as above).
    Nagarjuna is not (as above).
    The bhikkhus recite and write this way, ultimately, not to remember but to forget. They want to forget the 84,000 conventions of birth & death.
    Nagarjuna doesn’t end there.
    Nagarjuna has no beginning.
    (As above.)
    Every morning Nagarjuna eats a breakfast of rice gruel with an egg fried in ghee. Conventionally, he follows good yogic practice, modified by the philosopher’s intensified need for protein. Ultimately, a sparrow flies beneath his canopy and across the sky, unsupported, as if it knows where it is going.
    Conventionally, Nagarjuna is a great magician who entertains at court and gives sound advice to those who have seen, heard & done it all and now want to see, hear & do it all with a little more flare.
    Conventionally, Nagarjuna meets all the expectations of his day and is as well attended by ritual, bureaucracy & authority as any pope.
    Ultimately, Nagarjuna sings off-key, misapplies the day’s ragas, melodic modes and rhythmic patterns and subtly spoils all the fine rasas of Maheshvara, the Lord of Dance. Nagarjuna always evades the perfectly executed and never colours within the lines.
    [There’s that awkward moment when something emerges, when it’s still wet, clumsy and baldly expressed, like the first delta blues, or the first rough wheel. This would be Nagarjuna’s moment, were he to have one.]
    [Yet that’s all wrong, badly put & misleading.]
    [Yet nothing is more fatal than a finished product and fine craftsmanship. Everything digestible leads to indigestion.]
    Conventionally, Nagarjuna produces his liberating vaccines & serums from the indigestible venom of cobras, rightly held.
    Ultimately (as below).
     
  4. Snoopy

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    Many thanks for these contributions. References might be nice? :)

    s.
     
  5. 17th Angel

    17th Angel לבעוט את התחת ולקחת שמות

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    Nāgārjuna - Precious Garland....

    "There is pleasure when a sore is scratched, But to be without sores is more pleasurable still. Just so, there are pleasures in worldly desires, But to be without desires is more pleasurable still..."
     
  6. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Alrighty. The above quote is verse 208 from the She-rab Dong-bu (Tree of Wisdom) :)

    More from The Tree of Wisdom:
    211. He who, having seen the excellence of others,
    Is afflicted by disturbance in his own mind,
    Will not gain even a little of the Truth.
    Such a being destroys his own merit.

    212. Let all hear this moral maxim,
    And having heard it keep it well:
    Whatever is not pleasing to yourself
    Do not that unto others.

    213. As regards the leaving of this mortal life,
    Who is not clever in knowing and speaking about it?
    But when it comes to practising (what they preach)
    (Those who know) would be considered wise among the sages. ​

    Oh, btw, Nāgārjuna, probably would have despised me, as he seemed to despise all women...:rolleyes:

    162. The way of the wise man is knowledge,
    The way of the cuckoo is a sweet note,
    The way of the ascetic is patience,
    The way of a woman is perversity.

    <...>

    182. A woman's appetite is twice (that of a man),
    Her deceitfulness four times (as much),
    Her shame six times,
    And her passions eight times--so it is said.
    183. Not by gifts nor by attentions,
    Not by worship nor by veneration,
    Not by (constant) association nor by assiduity,--
    By none of these is a woman to be resisted (? controlled).
    184. When he was carried off by the King of the Birds
    The White Lotus Serpent God said:
    "He who tells secrets to women
    "His life is lost there and then."
    185. (By them) one's object and religion are completely destroyed,
    They create an obstacle in the attainment of salvation,
    They become the cause of all mischief.
    Rather therefore avoid other men's womenfolk.

    <...>

    246. An evil man, gold, a drum,
    A wild horse, women and cloth
    Are controlled by beating.
    These are not vessels for elegant doings.​
    :rolleyes:
     
  7. Snoopy

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    :eek:


    Hey, we're all on a learning curve!

    and of course, thanks for this additional stuff...

    s.
     
  8. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    An Introduction to the Philosophy of Nagarjuna – by Mushashi Tachikawa.

    Well this was hard work. I think I’ll need to re-visit it at some point, when my headache has subsided…:rolleyes:

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    Between Heaven and Earth
    From Nagarjuna to Dogen – A Translation and Interpretation of the Mulamadhyamakakarika
    By Michael Eido Luetchford

    This is a clear and compelling text which demonstrates the unity of thought that Nagarjuna and Dogen share. An early example from the book is the four views used by Nagarjuna and Dogen –

    “From Dogen’s Shobogenzo it can be seen that a similar structure is used throughout, often at paragraph and sentence level:

    Abstract / Ideal / Subjective.
    Concrete / Actual / Objective.
    Immediate / Action.
    Ineffable / Universal / Real.

    Nagarjuna also says that there are four views / fundamental beliefs / conditions, which he defines as:

    Causal / Idealistic / Subjective.
    External / Materialistic / Objective.
    Unity within the Present Moment / Immediate.
    Reality beyond words / Ineffable / Universal.”


    Luetchford analyses each of the 27 chapters of the Mulamadhyamakakarika and makes regular comparisons with Dogen.

    A definite desert island book…

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  13. Tariki

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    Hey Snoopy! Long time no read...........

    Book recommendation...."Verses From the Centre" By Stephen Batchelor.

    As an attempt to cling desperately to my own particular conditioning, a quote from "The Three Pure Land Sutras" by Hisao Inagaki............It is clear.......that Nagarjuna was a devotee as well as an exponent of Pure Land Buddhism

    And a quote............

    In seeing things
    To be or not to be
    Fools fail to see
    A world at ease


    From one fool to another............all the best,

    Derek
    :)
     
  14. Snoopy

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    Hey Derek! Long time no read you too! :):):)
    I’ve definitely missed you and your thoughtful posts around here; have you not been lurking then? I hope this isn’t to be your annual post! PM me if you like.

    I’ve looked at that book before and thought about getting it; may just do that then as you recommend it.

    From a foolish fish,

    Snoopy.
     
  15. Tariki

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    Snoopy,

    Yes, Stephen Batchelor's book was the product of a long browse in Watkins Books of Cecil Court, London. I fingered a paperback edition of "Verses from the Centre" for a hour or two and then decided against parting with my hard earned cash - nevermind just how unreal or real it was - but then gravitated towards the "seconds" and "bargains" section of the shop. Lo! and behold! what met my eye was a hardback edition of the same book, brand spanking new, at half the cost of the paperback!! Well, this just seemed to be a sign............

    Stephen Batchelor is one of my favorite Buddhist authors, very "existential".....the book consists of a long introduction then a full translation of the Mulamadhyamakakarika, much of which is way beyond me...........but when should that ever represent a "no-go" sign"?

    Batchelor says that his own translation of the text is "poetic" rather than "literal and academic", and that his introduction "locates Nagarjuna's central and much-misunderstood idea of emptiness in the wider context of Buddhist, Taoist and Western traditions and offers a contemporary interpretation of Nagajuna's vision."

    Well, so much for blurbs and recommendations.........over to you....

    Hope all is well.

    :)
     
  16. Snoopy

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    Here you go then, Tariki. Taken from Between Heaven and Earth:

    “Finally, Nagarjuna reiterates the words of the Buddha in the Kaccanagottasutta: life is neither eternal, nor finite; life neither has an end, nor is without end. Life is just at this moment of the present. Nagarjuna suggests that in reality, there are no views and no-one to hold views. The Buddhist state is a state where we let go of discussion; relinquishing all views. The Buddhist view, the dharma of the middle, is no view. And just at the moment when we relinquish all views, we experience the world as it is; we are able to see that reality is just this moment, just this place, just here and now.”

    s.
     
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    Karma accumulated through ignorance and the other afflictions are the cause of the appearances of the aggregates. Ignorance is the soil that alows the seeds of craving to grow, thereby leading to repeated rebirth in Samsara.
    ~Nagarjuna, Good Hearted letter
     
  18. Francis king

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    my fave:

    Nagarjuna's Mahayanavimsika...

    Homage to the Buddha (inconceivable glory)
    mind unattached: whose compassion taught the law (expressed th unexpressible)

    Buddha's and beings are of one essense-like space-
    do not arise though an essence, do not cease in reality

    And we are impelled to this world: to nirvana
    by what does not occur by what is born in
    dependence by what the omniscient know

    for all things are pure and calm beyond
    duality, like a reflection
    reality

    and we think there is a self when there is no self
    happiness and sorrow and realisation are real for us

    the six destinies and this world- the highest happiness of heaven, great suffering in hell- old age,
    disease and death

    we see what isn't there and burn in hell, burn by our own fault, as reeds are consumed by fire

    and experience things at the magic show, go to
    a destiny, born in dependence

    at the magic show

    fools fear the world, a painter paints a demon and screams, a child digs at the mud-hole, falls in

    sunk in the mud of imposing upon reality
    and can't get out, and see no:thing as real
    feel sorrow: false poison tormenting with
    the poison of fear

    but the buddhas: constant in compassion
    seek to help see us as helpless and lead us to
    enlightenment

    that we may be buddhas-knowledge
    attained and freed from the net of things
    -friends of the world

    they see reality, unborn, unmade, they see
    the world, empty, and without beginning,
    without middle, without end

    they see there is no world (no nirvana)
    stainless it is unchanging and radiant in the
    beginning and the middle in the end

    he who has awakened does not see what he saw in his dream,
    he who has awakened from the delusion does not see

    the world;

    a magician puts on a magic show when he
    stops: nothing. The nature of reality
    nothing but thought

    a magic trick; and then we do good and evil,
    and we go to good and evil destinies

    we construct a world and we do not occur,
    occurance is a construct, and things do not
    exist

    fools conceive of permanence; and self and happiness
    in things essenceless
    and are wrapped in darkness, wandering in
    the ocean of existence.
    .....
     
  19. Francis king

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    I have precious garland, Friendly letter, the mahayanavimsika (posted above), I also have... madhyamakasastra, which I will post later...

    cheerio for now

    FK
     
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    You can also request a free copy of the Chandrakirti's Madhyamakavatara with Commentary by Dzongsar Khyentse Rinpoche at Khyentse Foundation - Publications Fund. Audio teachings on this are also available for a fee.
     

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