Happy Thanksgiving!

cyberpi said:
I gave thanks to God, and to some neighbors and family. Some people in Boston years later gave thanks to the British for their Imperialist use of tax and dirty laws.

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Interesting version of history 123... do you disagree with Wkipedia? I'll have to find the history book that might agree with you. It appears to me by the history of the Native American Squanto, that he also had thanks to give. Afterall he was sold as a slave in Europe for a time. Some of the gritty truth is that a number of those who came from Europe were seeking what John Smith wrote about, "Here every man may be master and owner of his owne labour and land..." What, were you expecting someone there to give Thanks to England instead of God? Maybe if John Smith had written, "Here every man may serve his masters in English parliament on this New England land." Then maybe a different kind of settler would have arrived and history might have been different.
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Yet Squanto, took care of the needy rag tags that came upon the shore and settled in the area that a few years before was mysteriously wiped out of any human due to a "plague" they couldn't figure out, and no one would venture back into, save these foolish "pilgrims". And as for Squanto? Well, since he'd been with the British for over six years, he'd developed an immunity system that could handle what the pilgrims might have, that could otherwise fell an ox...

Thanks giving is indeed intact...
 
flowperson said:
Habla Espan'ole ?

It seem that the English settlers were beaten to the punch by about 55 years when their Spanish brothers and sisters celebrated feasts with the natives in Florida of all places. I like the prof's line about his being called "the grinch that stole thanksgiving" by his genteel New England colleagues.

flow....:rolleyes:

Jacksonville.com: First Thanksgiving occurred in St. Augustine, researcher says 11/26/02
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copyright/trademark, copyright/trademark, copyright/trademark...how many times I gotta tell ya?...:rolleyes:
 
Hi Q...If I'd posted the full story and not just the link, you'd be telling me/us again., and again, and again.... But since I only posted the link, wassup ?

Too much monitoring and no play makes Q a ...?

flow....:rolleyes:
 
flowperson said:
Hi Q...If I'd posted the full story and not just the link, you'd be telling me/us again., and again, and again.... But since I only posted the link, wassup ?

Too much monitoring and no play makes Q a ...?

flow....:rolleyes:
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NO Flow! I meant the original Thanksgivinger er er thingys, should have copyright/trademarked Thanksgiving...

Wassup you?

v/r

Q
 
Hi Q...Sorry for the misinterpretation. But as I used to do that stuff in a way, I was aware that such thingys didn't exist in the 17th century. Of course they could have put maker's marks on the turkeys and venison haunches . But then they weren't the makers, only the eaters.

flow....:D
 
Yeah it is all good stuff, another reason to party!

Got together with my family to eat all sorts of stuff those settlers and natives had no access to. In the comfort of global warming here on the east coast of USA.

Yes Squanto who was terribly mistreated by his first encounter with white man went ahead and saved our collective butts for that winter, we in turn gave him and his the fever that killed them.

And yes, why now, every second is a good time to give thanks, including this one!
 
flowperson said:
Hi Q...Sorry for the misinterpretation. But as I used to do that stuff in a way, I was aware that such thingys didn't exist in the 17th century. Of course they could have put maker's marks on the turkeys and venison haunches . But then they weren't the makers, only the eaters.

flow....:D
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Like, you were there? So, we ate indians I suppose...yeah, we Americans are such BAD people, even to our own...GOD, we should be wiped off the face of the freakin' earth.

Happy thanksgiving...
 
wil said:
Yeah it is all good stuff, another reason to party!

Got together with my family to eat all sorts of stuff those settlers and natives had no access to. In the comfort of global warming here on the east coast of USA.

Yes Squanto who was terribly mistreated by his first encounter with white man went ahead and saved our collective butts for that winter, we in turn gave him and his the fever that killed them.

And yes, why now, every second is a good time to give thanks, including this one!
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Pack sand Wil.
 
17th Angel said:
That makes it alright then, to rape their lands. :)
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You can't punish the dead, and you aren't about to punish the living who had nothing to do with the past.

I was born in America, raised in America, got the dirt in my nose and in my blood, defend America...I guess that makes me a Native American as much as any other man...and you know what? It's all part of planet earth.

Though I must admit, my neighbor has more freedom than I concerning crossing borders without permission (He's a Soiux, and as such needs no permission to cross from the United States to Canada and back).

v/r

Q
 
17th Angel said:
That's true in all cases?
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I believe it is only true for those tribes who originally spanned both countries prior to English/French/Spanish setting of "borders" For example, Seminoles do not have that freedom to cross the border with Mexico (but then Mexico could care less, even less than America, about the rights of people, indigenous or otherwise).
 
Quahom1 said:
Pack sand Wil.
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2 funny, exactly what is it I said that you chose to have issue with?

I call them as I see them. Our typical traditional gluttonous Thanksgiving meal in the US rarely contains any of the original Thanksgiving feast, you think this not true.

You think the capture and treatment of Squanto prior to Thanksgiving was appropriate, or that after he saved the hides of those settlers that contracting diseases they brought should be shoved under some rug?

Or object to my indication that we should be thankful every day?

Or are you simply suggesting that I compact earth? or maybe prepare for the seas rising by filling sand bags for the dikes?
 
wil said:
2 funny, exactly what is it I said that you chose to have issue with?

I call them as I see them. Our typical traditional gluttonous Thanksgiving meal in the US rarely contains any of the original Thanksgiving feast, you think this not true.
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Bit like christmas is it? Could feed a small African village on one family's thanks giving meal?
 
Quahom1 said:
Though I must admit, my neighbor has more freedom than I concerning crossing borders without permission (He's a Soiux, and as such needs no permission to cross from the United States to Canada and back).
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There is virtually no border between US and Canada for any US or Canadian Citizen. No passport or visa requirement. They have been talking about passports being required but keep putting that off. I've never crossed with any more than a drivers license only declaring we are traveling or visiting or going for lunch. Not much permission required. Now if one were to say they are headed to Alaska, the Canadians verify you've got the means to make the AlCan and that you have the means to repair your car and haul it back out. But that is the only issue I've had with any border crossing there.

Everyone keeps saying there are dramatic changes since 911, but my last crossing was 2 months ago and less dramatic than crossing into California at a fruit fly checkpoint.
 
17th Angel said:
Bit like christmas is it? Could feed a small African village on one family's thanks giving meal?
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I think it is worse. Got to be 30-50 million turkeys killed for the occasion, tons of ham, potatoes, pies, greenbeans.... I've never seen a table where half the food didn't go in the fridge or the garbage and everyone ate two plates and then waddled over to the TV to watch football.

Of course in our land of obesity the latest craze is to deep fry the bird. And soup kitchens, and restaurants aren't ignored, tons of turkey sold or given away there as well. Yes I'd guess the average Thanksgiving volume of food cooked exceeds Christmas in the US.
 
wil said:
I think it is worse. Got to be 30-50 million turkeys killed for the occasion, tons of ham, potatoes, pies, greenbeans.... I've never seen a table where half the food didn't go in the fridge or the garbage and everyone ate two plates and then waddled over to the TV to watch football.

Of course in our land of obesity the latest craze is to deep fry the bird. And soup kitchens, and restaurants aren't ignored, tons of turkey sold or given away there as well. Yes I'd guess the average Thanksgiving volume of food cooked exceeds Christmas in the US.
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That is, sick.... Heh.
 
wil said:
There is virtually no border between US and Canada for any US or Canadian Citizen. No passport or visa requirement. They have been talking about passports being required but keep putting that off. I've never crossed with any more than a drivers license only declaring we are traveling or visiting or going for lunch. Not much permission required. Now if one were to say they are headed to Alaska, the Canadians verify you've got the means to make the AlCan and that you have the means to repair your car and haul it back out. But that is the only issue I've had with any border crossing there.

Everyone keeps saying there are dramatic changes since 911, but my last crossing was 2 months ago and less dramatic than crossing into California at a fruit fly checkpoint.
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Prior to 911, never even had to flash an ID.

Ambassador Bridge from Detroit to Windsor: "Citizen of?" United States. "Time in Canada?" Two weeks. "Destination?" Lemington. "Have a great stay." Thank you.
 
wil said:
I think it is worse. Got to be 30-50 million turkeys killed for the occasion, tons of ham, potatoes, pies, greenbeans.... I've never seen a table where half the food didn't go in the fridge or the garbage and everyone ate two plates and then waddled over to the TV to watch football.

Of course in our land of obesity the latest craze is to deep fry the bird. And soup kitchens, and restaurants aren't ignored, tons of turkey sold or given away there as well. Yes I'd guess the average Thanksgiving volume of food cooked exceeds Christmas in the US.
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Oh please, be still my bleeding heart...wait, I'll call the wwwhhhammbulance...

Be thankful you can throw away the leftovers then. Meanwhile I'll go with the extras to the Frederick Mission house (hey, it's a tax write off) :rolleyes:
 
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