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please discuss how your doctrine is the truth and everyone else is wrong :eek:
 
"The most important part of teaching is to teach what it is to know." Simone Weil
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People argue about what to know regarding the Trinity but who considers what it is to know?
 
Thomas said:
So if you think I'm wrong, please show me where I misrepresent the Christian Doctrine of the Trinity — that's the point, surely.
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Is there a Christian Doctrine of the Trinity? I know there may be a Catholic Doctrine...one that was fought over for years, and if I'm not mistaken actual punches were thrown assist in the determination.

But there isn't anyone or any group as far as I know that speaks for all Christians.
GtG said:
please discuss how your doctrine is the truth and everyone else is wrong :eek:
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And yes, we'll not argue whether you represent your Church's doctrine correctly or incorrectly, that will be between you and other members of your church.

However as the OP points out over here...tis still your opinion that your doctrine trumps another.
 
GlorytoGod said:
LOL, I want them off the Yogananda one :D
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Start flooding the thread with Yogananda quotes, maybe followed by some appropriate smileys, like this one:
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Maybe they'll get the hint. {Or maybe not.}
If not, feel free to borrow this one:
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I like it when threads veer off in unexpected directions.

We don't need no thread dominatrixes...

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wil said:
Is there a Christian Doctrine of the Trinity? I know there may be a Catholic Doctrine...one that was fought over for years, and if I'm not mistaken actual punches were thrown assist in the determination.

But there isn't anyone or any group as far as I know that speaks for all Christians.And yes, we'll not argue whether you represent your Church's doctrine correctly or incorrectly, that will be between you and other members of your church.

However as the OP points out over here...tis still your opinion that your doctrine trumps another.
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The Nicene Creed is accepted by most Christian Churches as a statement of faith reflecting the doctrine of the Trinity. There are some fringe Christian churches that either a) don't believe Jesus is God b) believe that the Three are separate being, but equally 'God' but not one in essence or c) believe in a Oneness, that is Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
 
Dondi said:
The Nicene Creed is accepted by most Christian Churches as a statement of faith reflecting the doctrine of the Trinity. There are some fringe Christian churches that either a) don't believe Jesus is God b) believe that the Three are separate being, but equally 'God' but not one in essence or c) believe in a Oneness, that is Jesus is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
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Namaste Dondi,

Quite helpful, which Nicene Creed is accepted my most Christians??

And most Christians subscribe to one holy catholic and apostolic church??

And to pull an all for one and one for all trinity out of that is as tough as it is out of the bible.
 
Since it's not in the Bible, the only way to accept Trinity doctrine is to accept the Church's authority as being equal to the Scripture.

The first Creed included a statement about the Trinity. It was formulated toward the end of the third century AD. A more complete statement appeared toward the 4th century at the Council of Constantinople (381 AD). The notion of Trinity is to be accepted on the grounds that the "Church" said it was true.

Again, the concept of Trinity has no Biblical basis. In my opinion for the Church to presume that its doctrinal positions are on a par with Revelation is extreme arrogance.
 
Netti-Netti said:
Again, the concept of Trinity has no Biblical basis. .
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nice one :)And after all the bible is the aurthority (or should be) for christians. yes you can see why this verse has great meaning
collosians 2;8


Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;





there has been lots of that going on down through the centuries ,and people have got to believeing the things not according to the bible

 
seattlegal said:
Start flooding the thread with Yogananda quotes, maybe followed by some appropriate smileys, like this one:
seattlegal-albums-emoticons-picture103-bartmoon.gif

Maybe they'll get the hint. {Or maybe not.}
If not, feel free to borrow this one:
seattlegal-albums-emoticons-picture101-threaddirectionwi0.gif
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LOL I like your style :)
 
Netti-Netti said:
Since it's not in the Bible, the only way to accept Trinity doctrine is to accept the Church's authority as being equal to the Scripture.

The first Creed included a statement about the Trinity. It was formulated toward the end of the third century AD. A more complete statement appeared toward the 4th century at the Council of Constantinople (381 AD). The notion of Trinity is to be accepted on the grounds that the "Church" said it was true.

Again, the concept of Trinity has no Biblical basis. In my opinion for the Church to presume that its doctrinal positions are on a par with Revelation is extreme arrogance.
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mee said:
nice one :)And after all the bible is the aurthority (or should be) for christians. yes you can see why this verse has great meaning
collosians 2;8


Look out: perhaps there may be someone who will carry you off as his prey through the philosophy and empty deception according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;





there has been lots of that going on down through the centuries ,and people have got to believeing the things not according to the bible

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I did some research of the early Church Fathers at ccel.org, and found some interesting reading. The first instance of the word "trinity" (or reasonable resemblence thereof) was by the 2nd century Church Father, Theophilus of Antioch. From what I can gather, he was a converted pagan from Mesopotamia, and his use of the word "triados" was in a book to persuade other pagans of the "outdatedness" of paganism:

ANF02. Fathers of the Second Century: Hermas, Tatian, Athenagoras, Theophilus, and Clement of Alexandria (Entire) | Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Theophilus (of Antioch) to Autolycus, Book II, Chapter XV
Chapter XV.—Of the Fourth Day. Next »
Chapter XV.—Of the Fourth Day.
On the fourth day the luminaries were made; because God, who possesses foreknowledge, knew the follies of the vain philosophers, that they were going to say, that the things which grow on the earth are produced from the heavenly bodies, so as to exclude God. In order, therefore, that the truth might be obvious, the plants and seeds were produced prior to the heavenly bodies, for what is posterior cannot produce that which is prior. And these contain the pattern and type of a great mystery. For the sun is a type of God, and the moon of man. And as the sun far surpasses the moon in power and glory, so far does God surpass man. And as the sun remains ever full, never becoming less, so does God always abide perfect, being full of all power, and understanding, and wisdom, and immortality, and all good. But the moon wanes monthly, and in a manner dies, being a type of man; then it is born again, and is crescent, for a pattern of the future resurrection. In like manner also the 101three days which were before the luminaries,583583 Following Wolf’s reading. are types of the Trinity,584584 {Τριάδος. [The earliest use of this word “Trinity.” It seems to have been used by this writer in his lost works, also; and, as a learned friends suggests, the use he makes of it is familiar. He does not lug it in as something novel: “types of the Trinity,” he says, illustrating an accepted word, not introducing a new one.]} of God, and His Word, and His wisdom.585585 {[An eminent authority says, “It is certain, that, according to the notions of Theophilus, God, His Word, and His wisdom constitute a Trinity; and it should seem a Trinity of persons.” He notes that the title σοφία, is here assigned to the Holy Spirit, although he himself elsewhere gives this title to the Son (book ii. cap. x., supra), as is more usual with the Fathers.” Consult Kaye’s Justin Martyr, p. 157. Ed. 1853.]} And the fourth is the type of man, who needs light, that so there may be God, the Word, wisdom, man. Wherefore also on the fourth day the lights were made. The disposition of the stars, too, contains a type of the arrangement and order of the righteous and pious, and of those who keep the law and commandments of God. For the brilliant and bright stars are an imitation of the prophets, and therefore they remain fixed, not declining, nor passing from place to place. And those which hold the second place in brightness, are types of the people of the righteous. And those, again, which change their position, and flee from place to place, which also are called planets,586586 i.e., wandering stars. they too are a type of the men who have wandered from God, abandoning His law and commandments.
his use of the word Person in regard to God:
Book II Chapter XXII.—Why God is Said to Have Walked.
Athenagoras
A Plea for the Christians Chapter X--The Christians Worship the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost

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It seems that the use of the concept of trinity was to build a philosophical bridge of reconciliation between monotheist and polytheist philosophers. (See also Clement of Alexandria invoking this "trinity concept" and applying it to the writings of Plato...)
 
seattlegal said:
I did some research of the early Church Fathers at ccel.org, and found some interesting reading. The first instance of the word "trinity" (or reasonable resemblence thereof) was by the 2nd century Church Father, Theophilus of Antioch.
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There is an earlier reference to the basic concept made by Justin Martyr, who refers to the Son as "the offspring" of the Father in a discussion that was recorded between 132 and 135 AD.
http://www.sstarker.org/papers/Trinity-Ante-Nicene.pdf

It seems that the use of the concept of trinity was to build a philosophical bridge of reconciliation between monotheist and polytheist philosophers.
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Based on the aforementioned source, the idea was to affirm the Son's status as being equal with the Father. The impression of polytheism can be avoided by asserting "Unity of Person."
 
And all we need is the bible :) why bother with anything else, its good to bring the bible to the fore not manmade things like the trinity .


but after all the bible did forewarn about should things, so it is no big surprise that those manmade things like the trinity doctrine have come about through the centuries .


the bible foretold ithat these things would come about .

The Trinity has been called a mystery, but the brochure
Should You Believe in the Trinity? (PRINTED BY JEHOVAHS WITNESSES )
“unravels the mystery and puts it to final rest.”



thats because that brochure points to what the bible REALLY teaches .
:)

i like the way that Jehovahs witnesses Are faithful to what the bible REALLY teaches .


And then the truth sets them free
 
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