Death is an illusion

otherbrother said:
Years ago I picked up on an image that was in my wife’s mind when I was trying to be mentally deep. It was a red barn. If what you say is true, my mind reading was the low hanging fruit. It would have taken more time and skill to pick up on smells and touch/feelings? When I mentally resurrected Jesus as my Rabbi while running and meditating on Easter Sunday, I only got a vague visual impression, no verbal content of his teaching, but I did feel love towards him. Not his feelings but mine. Whether my visualization attached to Jesus Christ himself back in his time, or was just a part of myself that has Christ-like (spiritual) potential, I don’t know (and am okay with either), but for the spiritual practice to work, it seems necessary to accommodate the meager mental impressions, and to receive them as something real out there before I can download the spiritual growth potential that the contemplated object/being has to offer. I can reclaim the projection as being my own potential but if I reclaim it too fast, its potency and potential to transform me seems diminished or lost altogether. I can’t just say it’s just my imagination and expect to learn or be changed by the experience. I need to allow the imagined or perceived object to BE, so I can be moved by it. Similar to identifying with characters in a movie, I have to imagine they are not just fictional representations, but are real enough to move me emotionally and in terms of new insights or strengthened values.
While I am okay with psychological explanations of the imaginative meditations, I am at times baffled by external synchronicity events. Case in point: two mourning doves flew across my path, right in front of me while running. First time that has ever happened. Coincidence? If so, a highly meaningful one. At least confirming that we can have quite a bit of good luck in our lives that also have a lot of bad luck and suffering and struggle. Grace is woven into Creation,
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the dove thing is funny because the other morning perhaps a week or so ago I was about to awaken, I saw this flock of angels flying towards me and into my mind. As the angels got closer I could see both timelines together and the birds were mourning doves and men together.

Luck is luck it is attached or married together with good or bad. I always think it is funny they reference "mourning stars" all the time, but these are married together minds at least in my experience. "Mourning your losses" and, "bless your lucky stars" together you get mourning stars. mourning stars are two minds together that can cause you more problems then you can possibly understand they are the thoughts in your mind that kill people, or make them crazy.

otherbrother said:
Out west years ago while I was in a deep meditative state and was drawn to a statue memorializing a young boy who drowned in rapids while chasing geese, I had a large cottonwood tree fall down on a calm day when I went through the park’s turnstie (sp?) as I exited.
Only 2 or three weeks later my good friend and next door neighbor drowned in a riptide in the Atlantic Ocean while vacationing with his family.
It was as though both telekinesis AND premonition had occurred in that park out west. BTW, I was intentionally trying to contact spirits during that out west vacation where the tree fell down.
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I call impressions like you are talking about here, "time forward" time forward is how it sounds, it is to see forward in time. I don't mess to much with time forward I am not to curious of the future at least at this time in my life. Time forward is a projection of minds moving into time that can't figure themselves out, when the mind does figure itself out it returns into time bringing back knowledge of the future. I see this like two points separated by time there either has to be a large event, or something that does not make sense to you, there has to be two points a and b and a straight line between them that is the true timeline. As you ask questions and try to figure things out lines are moving outward constantly in arcs above and below the true line. Anyway you have to know what you are trying to figure out to even attempt to use time forward. Powessy often shows me forward images, many times I also feel these lines in time before they happen even with out him showing me.

otherbrother said:
These occurrences cause me to bet on actual metaphysical realities associated with my deep psychological experiences. But they are not required to make me believe in the worthwhile-ness of mentally going deep.
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I am coming to the end of the questions parts of this problem, he has shown me that I have reincarnation occurring in my cells. I am still trying to figure out the minds and how these work to find time.

powessy
 
otherbrother said:
.. non dual seems to be more of an energy concept than a matter based concept. Transcending but including the gradual path of growing by moral practices, following law, fake it until you make it. The theological concept of Grace seems to also fit into the non dual and Tantric line of spiritual practice.
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I wonder if you understand the relationship of matter to energy (the famous E=m x c squared)! They are one.
In Hinduism, moral practices (dharma) are societal requirements, they do not depend on belief. Nothing gradual about it.
Non-duality has no God, it does not depend on a God's pleasure (grace). Nothing fishy or 'tantric' about it. It is a clear declaration.
You are That, So am I. (Tat twam asi, So aham) enunciated by Upanishads more than 2,500 years ago.
 
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TheLightWithin said:
Different peoples at different times all over the world persistently develop theories about the supernatural.
Conclusion?
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Power, money or sex. Beneficial to scammers who start/propagate such beliefs.

iu
Theyyam, Kerala, India
 
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otherbrother said:
... about the need to let the meditative object be, to accommodate it, instead of putting it in a mental/conceptual box ... I think you have to be still and silent to go deep mentally.
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This caste me back to the citation above:
"It is possible to practice meditation under the illusion that one is outside of any perceived value system, but this idea is deceptive and dangerous: meditation will intensify whatever values a person holds, whether or not they are acknowledged ..."

Everybody works from 'mental/conceptual boxes', there's no escaping that.
otherbrother said:
I think my word for listening or silence is going deep. I think you have to be still and silent to go deep mentally.
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That's OK, Ross is talking about something beyond 'mentally', but that's OK.
 
Aupmanyav said:
Power, money or sex. Beneficial to scammers who start/propagate such beliefs.

iu
Theyyam, Kerala, India
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That is something that occurs, yes.
It doesn't ipso facto negate alternative hypotheses.
You didn't really engage with my scenario at all. That's your right, not to plunge into depth with anything if you don't want to. I'm just saying that if the idea is to help me see anything more clearly that you think I'm not seeing clearly, I'd need more than just short little snippets of thoughts.

In terms of why I think your above observation is lacking, despite being observably true sometimes:
Think of it this way: (an analogy)
There are in fact medicinal uses for plants.
There are and always have been some people who are very skilled herbalists across cultures and centuries.
In modern times, there are scientists who can isolate chemicals and create very precise medicines.
Alongside all this, there are in fact scammers and snake oil salesmen.
The existence of snake oil salesmen does not and never has negated the reality of genuine health promoting products and the skilled application thereof.
Therefore, pointing out scam artists in the spiritual guru industry does not ipso facto negate the reality/possible reality of some kind of transcendent order of existence.
An elusive but real transcendent order of some kind, call it supernatural or what you will, my theory is that it does exist and is slightly perceivable and people instinctively know it is there and that is what people respond to. No one religion has a corner on it though they may claim to, and no religion with longstanding serious adherents is baseless, IMHO.

I know you said "you are welcome to your views" and I appreciate that as that is an important principle.

I only mean that if you think I'm not quite seeing something clearly, I require some in depth analysis of my existing thoughts and/or new information to make any adjustments. I can make adjustments in my thinking, but I need something significant to do it.
 
powessy said:
Time forward is a projection of minds moving into time that can't figure themselves out, when the mind does figure itself out it returns into time bringing back knowledge of the future.
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You seem to use “figure itself out” as a positive thing, but being mysterious, beyond words and regular understanding may be spiritual and something worth bringing about intentionally so we don’t take our own existence and life for granted
 
Thomas said:
That's OK, Ross is talking about something beyond 'mentally', but that's OK.
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Author Diekman, in Rober Ornstein’s anthology , The Nature of Human Consciousness, postulated a “receptive mode,” in contrast to an “action mode.”
Yes, being receptive could transcend regular conscious “mind/mentality”
 
TheLightWithin said:
An elusive but real transcendent order of some kind, .. my theory is that it does exist and is slightly perceivable and people instinctively know it is there and that is what people respond to.
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Yes, I too wonder about the so-called 'transcendental'. For me, it is about 'Why things exist at all?'

"According to quantum mechanics, the vacuum state is not truly empty but instead contains fleeting electromagnetic waves and particles that pop into and out of the quantum field."
"Some cosmologists believe it to be possible that something (e.g., the universe) may come to exist spontaneously from nothing. Some mathematical models support this idea, and it is growing to become a more prevalent explanation among the scientific community for why the Big Bang occurred."
Why is there anything at all? - Wikipedia, A Universe from Nothing - Wikipedia

Instincts go wrong many a times, otherwise there would not have been any predator species.
 
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Aupmanyav said:
"Some cosmologists believe it to be possible that something (e.g., the universe) may come to exist spontaneously from nothing. Some mathematical models support this idea, and it is growing to become a more prevalent explanation among the scientific community for why the Big Bang occurred."
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That is not an answer as to "why" .. it is a non-answer.
 
otherbrother said:
Author Diekman, in Rober Ornstein’s anthology , The Nature of Human Consciousness, postulated a “receptive mode,” in contrast to an “action mode.”
Yes, being receptive could transcend regular conscious “mind/mentality”
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OK. It seems to me all your references are from the 'physical' sciences, and you interpret the 'spiritual' accordingly, which is probably where we disagree...

Have you read any spiritual commentaries on the mind/spirit, nous and pneuma, and the distinctions?
 
Aupmanyav said:
Why is there anything at all? - Wikipedia, A Universe from Nothing - Wikipedia
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According to New Scientists's Michael Brooks, it would appear Krauss is "preaching to the converted", even if "intelligently" – but this book does not really address the big questions, as the critiques on the wiki page evidence.

That Krauss sought the support of Hitchens (who died before he could write a foreword) and Dawkins, who wrote an afterword "which is both superfluous and silly" (Brooks) – that rather evidences an agenda.
 
muhammad_isa said:
That is not an answer as to "why" .. it is a non-answer.
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If this is not one answer to 'why', then what is it? Science is investigating things.
"Allahdidit" is a non-answer with no evidence other than people said or believed so in Levant and Arabia centuries ago.
 
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Thomas said:
According to New Scientists's Michael Brooks, ..
.. and Dawkins, who wrote an afterword "which is both superfluous and silly" (Brooks) – that rather evidences an agenda.
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Michael Jamal Brooks was an American talk show host, writer, left-wing political commentator, and comedian.
How come Jamal in his name? Something that he adopted in Turkeye or a conversion?
What was the knowledge and authority of Michael Brooks to comment on the work of Krauss?
 
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