One doesn't need to taste poison to savour sweetness, one doesn't have to smell shit to appreciate perfume. One doesn't have to have seen anything, to appreciate a sunset, or listen to a jackhammer to appreciate music.
Eat a cake and then drink sweet tea - the sweetness is gone. With bitterness, however, the sweetness will be exquisite. You jump from sweetness to poison, how are they even related? It is an absurd jump, you have not understand the true opposite here. If everywhere, there is perfume, you will never appreciate it, you will only stop and notice if it is different to normal experience. Constantly, there are smells all around, but we do not notice most of them. If one has seen nothing, they will not see the sunset, how will it be possible? Life itself is a cacophony, this is why music appeals, it brings us to a certain harmony.
In the end it says one can only know God according to sensible things, which means one can never know God, because God is in no wise comparable to sensible things.
The dance of the opposites is in no way sensible, it is quite illogical and many faith systems try to make sense of it and ultimately fail. God can be known through trascendence of the opposites, it is the only way. If you do not understand the opposites to be complimentary then for me you have not known God, you are merely a believer.
I love my partner, and I don't need a parade of ugly women to convince me she's beautiful; I have three kids, and I didn't need anything other than the sight of them, to know that I love them more than I thought was possible.
Love makes you blind to all else, love causes something in you to see the glowing of the other. Yet, you can be angry towards them, you can feel hate arising - it has to be so, because it creates the dance. Love is a drawing in, hate is a pushing away. Without the hate you cannot rekindle the love, there is no depth in the relationship. They are founded in something deeper than love, and thus can withstand the anger that arises, can even be strengthened by that anger. If you fear that anger then really you fear the love, maybe you think it cannot withstand, maybe you are not sure it is real love. Otherwise there is no problem.
Contingency is dependent on the relative, but the Real is something else, and doesn't need the unreal to justify its existence.
Does it not? Do you not see that the unreal is a contrast to the real? Without the unreal, the real simply has no meaning at all. To appreciate anything, you have to know its opposite, else you will take it for granted - this is absolutely fundamental to life, indeed the reason why death is there. Yet, that which is not relative can be found, can be resided in, but you have to understand the dance to partake in the non-relative. You will have to notice that you are unchanging through the constant change, something in you remains the same. Looking more deeply into this, truth arises of its own accord.
Ha! Perfection actually is the point when you can start doing something really meaningful, as opposed to demonstrate one's sense of self-importance.
If something is perfect, it is done... what more then can be done? It is finished, it is no longer important at all. You move on to the next thing because there is nothing more to be done here. Of course the one thing that marries the Abrahamic faiths together is the believe in the destruction of this place, it is absolutely going to happen if we continue to insist on the ideal.
If one acts perfectly, then one acts from the Principle, and it is the Principle that acts by, though, in and with, you ... all the rest is just noise in an empty vessel.
I agree, and yet it is not a perfection, it is a purification. It is to clean away all that is false, and all conceptions and ideals are always false. The Principle is oneness, but oneness cannot be manifest without the dance of opposites. In absolute balance is the perfection, and the understanding of that is holiness. You can divide existence and become a saint or a sinner, but both are egoistic, transcend this and you understand both are necessary.
No, we know the Highest, and we strive for that ... I'd rather that then settle for some pragmatic navel-gazing.
There is no higher or lower in oneness, it is something of the mind to even consider comparison. Mind chooses what it would rather, heart simply accepts what is. You do not even understand what navel gazing is yet you condemn it - it is to look at death within yourself, and only in death can there be a ressurection. If there is no death, there can be no rebirth.
Good Lord ... you have been mixing with some odd people!
Yet I am perfectly true, look at the middle east, they are striving absolutely for their ideal and most all of them wish their own death. It is easy to throw away life when it is a hell, and that is what their ideal has created. It is the same in Communist countries, there is a very high ideal but all of the people suffer. In the West there is nothing like an ideal other than freedom, and this is the only true ideal. When your ideal is to make the world good you create a prison, you give people restrictions, you take away their liberty. Man will never settle for anything less than absolute freedom because he knows his being is free.
Oh, good grief ... what has happened to Lunitik since I last spoke? You've been replaced by a replica, but it's not you at all ... or I misjudged you before?
Look at the dark ages in Christian history, this was in the name of the highest goodness, yet anyone can see it is absolutely evil. Look clearly and you can understand, but if you look through a Christian mask you may not comprehend what I'm saying.
Those striving for evil, perhaps?
Those striving for good are no different than those striving for evil, both are caught up in the mind. Transcend this and you are face to face with what you have called God, only then is there no more need to imagine and idealize.
As apposed to the ego which wants to be something, to prove his life is meaningful, yet Jesus has said unless you hate your own life you cannot be his disciple. He means that unless you renounce all striving, you cannot enter the Kingdom, desire itself keeps you away from the divine, it is the very nature of difficulty.
Be Jesus' disciple, not merely a believer, mind has chosen this path and it is perfectly good, but you will have to drop yourself to come close to him. You will have to be crucified to rise again, it will be your ego that dies though, not you. It is only that you are too much identified with it so it will bring fear, simply watch and go deeper until Christ arises in you. Then you are no more a Christian, no more are there such absurd choices, you understand your nature and can say yourself "I and my father are one".
