"The empty mind is the devils workshop"

[seattlegal]

In reality, you do not really have a point of comparison though, you have not known divine love, you have not know the bliss of oneness, of dissolving into truth. Without that comparison point, you will think what you know as reality is good enough, I would rather die than go back to it.

Oneness, eh?

What you classify as higher and lower self is basically false, more correct is to say the true and false self. The true self is eternal bliss, the false self is subject to suffering, we say this is part of the human condition, it is true in a way, but it needn't be the case, we can transcend this condition, find that which is unconditioned.

Sounds rather dualistic to me. ;p

 

[Lunitik]

Oneness, eh?

Sounds rather dualistic to me. ;p

My statement that it is not possible there be two selves is dualistic to you? I have said that delusion is false, that the path leads to truth - THAT truth is oneness. Yet, we are manifest in a dualistic plane, how can anything but the delusion of dualism provide the contrast for oneness?

 

[luecy7]

Do you understand that evil is a delusion?

Yes, your delusion and drug addiction are quite physical.

It is your conception of certain things that makes them evil for you, it is because you have divided reality and thus made it impossible for you to understand oneness.

The behavior that you do, but that you can not stand others doing, is not my conception.

Even evil is necessary to give contrast to goodness, the resulting balance is beautiful to God, and managing this balance while creating unique story lines constantly is what excites God.

Trying to justify evil, as if it were possible.

We are all characters God is playing in the movie.

You should study the origin and flavors of the word hypocrite.

As Jesus says the same: "Do not think it is me who does these things, but it is the father acting through me" as an example.

Where do you read that Jesus said this?

It doesn't matter whether you can understand this, you have not experienced it obviously, but it is simply the case. In fact, even this moment, you are not the one doing anything, you are simply identified with the actions you are watching your body perform.

Your assertions are like someone trying to convince someone that their parents have never had sex. Your motivations are educational.

I might suggest you read this.

The empty leading the empty.

 

[Lunitik]

Yes, your delusion and drug addiction are quite physical.

Why are you trying to spread false information?

Trying to justify evil, as if it were possible.

Evil is impossible, as darkness is impossible. It is the absence of something else, it is not real in and of itself. It only shows lack of love, when you realize you are love as God is love, how will you do evil? Just as when you turn a light on darkness is no more, so if you can bring in love evil is no more possible. This is why all that know say do not fight evil with evil but rather love, fighting a shadow is stupid.

Where do you read that Jesus said this?

John 14:10 is such an example, although I cannot find the exact quote.

Your assertions are like someone trying to convince someone that their parents have never had sex. Your motivations are educational.

I tell the truth, I reveal the possibilities at the heights of religion, you claim to believe in God but will not believe these things. It only means you do not trust God, you value your puny existence over truth. Call this education if you'd like, I simply say it is your ego that has not permitted you to know it yourself.

 

[Etu Malku]

Evil is impossible, as darkness is impossible. It is the absence of something else, it is not real in and of itself. It only shows lack of love, when you realize you are love as God is love, how will you do evil? Just as when you turn a light on darkness is no more, so if you can bring in love evil is no more possible. This is why all that know say do not fight evil with evil but rather love, fighting a shadow is stupid.

Darkness is possible, does exist, and did exist before there was ever light, therefore it exists to enable the light to exist, it provides the space for which the light to Become. You fail to understand that Darkness represents our Subjective Universe, the womb, the Abyss, that which enables our Objective Universe (Light) to exist, they are not opposites or silly dualistic concepts.

 

[Lunitik]

Darkness is possible, does exist, and did exist before there was ever light, therefore it exists to enable the light to exist, it provides the space for which the light to Become. You fail to understand that Darkness represents our Subjective Universe, the womb, the Abyss, that which enables our Objective Universe (Light) to exist, they are not opposites or silly dualistic concepts.

Darkness only existed in the sense that there were no eyes to conceive of the light, but spirit itself is light. For the realized man, his subjective universe is not dark, in fact it is brighter than when he has his eyes open. Dark and light are perceptions of vision, in reality it is a particular vibration of what science is calling strings. In the enlightened man, these strings are simply more active so his light is more there, in the unenlightened person they remain almost still and for this reason many go on saying most people are barely surviving, while enlightenment is infinitely more alive. We can say that the void was utter inactivity in this sense, but it was never darkness, darkness has no concept without vision.

 

[Lunitik]

Do you think the blind man simply sees blackness everywhere? It is not so, he has lost the function of the eyes all together, the ability to perceive of this aspect of the vibrating strings is simply impossible for him.

In a sense it is dark because darkness is the absence of light, but in another sense both lightness and darkness has not existed because there is nothing to perceive it. Certainly, however, darkness has not been before light, for eyes have been created to perceive light - without something to see, why will there be the ability to do so?

Furthermore, accepting that the void consists of strings, we can now say darkness is the absence of activity, while light is the string in motion. Thus darkness is still the lack of something, which was my original point... allow the flow of motion to reach it and it has to be blocked again, darkness cannot cause itself to still when light is brought in. Similarly, hate, evil, these are lacks of flowing love, clear the blockages and there is no problem.

 

[Etu Malku]

Darkness only existed in the sense that there were no eyes to conceive of the light, but spirit itself is light. For the realized man, his subjective universe is not dark, in fact it is brighter than when he has his eyes open. Dark and light are perceptions of vision, in reality it is a particular vibration of what science is calling strings. In the enlightened man, these strings are simply more active so his light is more there, in the unenlightened person they remain almost still and for this reason many go on saying most people are barely surviving, while enlightenment is infinitely more alive. We can say that the void was utter inactivity in this sense, but it was never darkness, darkness has no concept without vision.

Light is vibration, nothing to do with vision. Darkness holds this vibration in order for it to exist. That is the objective understanding, the same came used (and has been) in a philosophical/metaphoric context as well.

 

[Lunitik]

Light is vibration, nothing to do with vision. Darkness holds this vibration in order for it to exist. That is the objective understanding, the same came used (and has been) in a philosophical/metaphoric context as well.

It is funny that you are arguing the most irrelevant part of my statement.

Is it something important to your belief structure that darkness was first? If so, I recommend looking at this more closely - darkness cannot have existed without eyes to see it, vibration or not.

Encounter reality yourself, don't rely on things you've read.

 

[Bhaktajan II]

Originally Posted by Etu Malku
Light is vibrationQUOTE]

Colors are each wave lengths of different frequencies.

What is the frequency of White Light?

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"Ya" = exists.
"Maya" = exists not.
They exist at the same time inseperately.
How to reconcile? "Time" is the reconciling factor.
All exists is reality. All is temporary.
Time reconciles seperation ... now a citation from the "Jaiva Dharma sutra":

Then the saintly sannyasi asked, “You speak of a 'thing' (vastu). What does this word mean?”
The paramahamsa replied, “The word 'vastu' is derived from the verb 'vas' (to exist) and the affix 'tu'. Therefore that which exists is called 'vastu'.

There are two kinds of vastus: Things that exist in reality and things that do not exist in reality. What exists in reality are spiritual truths and the spiritual goal of life. What does not exist in reality are material objects, material qualities, and the like. What exists in reality exists in truth.

What does not exist in reality exists only in someone's mistaken belief. When a person believes something it may be that what he believes is the truth, or it may be that it is only an illusion.

In Srimad Bhagavatam (1.1.2) it is said:
“The highest truth is reality distinguished from illusion for the welfare of all.”
In this way it is proved that the world of spirit is the true reality.

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the only reality. From Him the many individual spirit souls, who are all his parts and parcels, are manifested, and from Him also the potency of illusion (maya) is also manifested. Therefore the word 'thing' (vastu) may be applied to three things:

1. The Supreme Personality of Godhead,
2. the individual spirit souls and
3. the illusory potency (maya).

These three things exist in reality. Knowledge of the relationships that exist between these three things is said to be pure knowledge. There are many different conceptions of the true natures of these three things. These conceptions tend to be full of errors.

Things that exist in true have specific attributes. These attributes determine their nature. The individual spirit souls exist in truth. The individual spirit souls have specific attributes that are eternal. These determine the natures of the individual souls.

 

[Etu Malku]

Originally Posted by Etu Malku
Light is vibrationQUOTE]

Colors are each wave lengths of different frequencies.

What is the frequency of White Light?

It is simply all the colors blended together . . . why?

 

[Etu Malku]

It is funny that you are arguing the most irrelevant part of my statement.

Is it something important to your belief structure that darkness was first? If so, I recommend looking at this more closely - darkness cannot have existed without eyes to see it, vibration or not.

Encounter reality yourself, don't rely on things you've read.

Yes, it is an important aspect of my Beliefs, but I was merely correcting you, that's all.
Your pantheistic babble goes nowhere, none of us can travel back into time to experience what was this Universe before there was Light.

This false importance you keep placing on our perception of things is not the solution, whether we are aware of something or not does not make it real or not . . . there's that inflated ego again, the Universe revolves around you it seems, this is not the case, the Universe has watched you come and will watch you go, It will continue to do what it does despite if Lunitik is there there 'experiencing' it.

 

[seattlegal]

It is funny that you are arguing the most irrelevant part of my statement.

Is it something important to your belief structure that darkness was first? If so, I recommend looking at this more closely - darkness cannot have existed without eyes to see it, vibration or not.

Encounter reality yourself, don't rely on things you've read.

Yes, it is an important aspect of my Beliefs, but I was merely correcting you, that's all.
Your pantheistic babble goes nowhere, none of us can travel back into time to experience what was this Universe before there was Light.

This false importance you keep placing on our perception of things is not the solution, whether we are aware of something or not does not make it real or not . . . there's that inflated ego again, the Universe revolves around you it seems, this is not the case, the Universe has watched you come and will watch you go, It will continue to do what it does despite if Lunitik is there there 'experiencing' it.

Actually, Lunitik, if "darkness" was prior to "light," then time would be tied to space. Lightspeed would be a relativistic reference point for motion within space as a function of the experiencing of time.

 

[radarmark]

"Actually, Lunitik, if "darkness" was prior to "light," then time would be tied to space. Lightspeed would be a relativistic reference point for motion within space as a function of the experiencing of time."


SG, go to the head of the physics class. If Einstein is right, then spacetime is real and mass-energy equivalence holds. Then lightspeed is what interrelates space and time.

Our experience of time (if all of this is true) then is either: an epiphenomenon (time just is all all times exist now, see Block Time or Block Univers theory if you wish to know more) or the causal link that extends backwards and forwards (see Chronon theory for more information--time as a quantized thing).

 

[luecy7]

Why are you trying to spread false information?

If true, that would be evil behavior. You agree?

Evil is impossible, as darkness is impossible. It is the absence of something else, it is not real in and of itself.

Emptiness, as you said: like a room empty of furniture. Like a building empty of a good foundation. Like a way of living that is not fully support by the principles. The emptiness, the darkness, and the evil, are all very real... as real as the history, the present, and the future. The matter and the emptiness that matter resides in are equally real.

It only shows lack of love, when you realize you are love as God is love, how will you do evil?

If you sit and watch yourself do evil, and be evil... in my book, you are being evil. I am certain there is a path available for you to stop doing that.

Just as when you turn a light on darkness is no more, so if you can bring in love evil is no more possible.

False, and false.

John 14:10 is such an example, although I cannot find the exact quote. I tell the truth, I reveal the possibilities at the heights of religion...

Then let us know when and where you think you honestly quoted Jesus, so that you can reveal it.

...you claim to believe in God but will not believe these things.

The thing that you wish me to believe in, is to NOT believe in God, or to believe it is just my ego. True? If not, then what, or who, precisely, do you wish me to believe in?

 

[seattlegal]

"Actually, Lunitik, if "darkness" was prior to "light," then time would be tied to space. Lightspeed would be a relativistic reference point for motion within space as a function of the experiencing of time."


SG, go to the head of the physics class. If Einstein is right, then spacetime is real and mass-energy equivalence holds. Then lightspeed is what interrelates space and time.

Our experience of time (if all of this is true) then is either: an epiphenomenon (time just is all all times exist now, see Block Time or Block Univers theory if you wish to know more) or the causal link that extends backwards and forwards (see Chronon theory for more information--time as a quantized thing).

Now let me throw a Zen koan in:

Two monks were arguing about the temple flag waving in the wind.
One said, “The flag moves.”
The other said, “The wind moves.”
They argued back and forth but could not agree.

Hui-neng, the sixth patriarch, said: “Gentlemen! It is not
the flag that moves. It is not the wind that moves. It is
your mind that moves.”

The two monks were struck with awe.​

Consciousness is tied to space.

 

[luecy7]

Now let me throw a Zen koan in:

Two monks were arguing about the temple flag waving in the wind.
One said, “The flag moves.”
The other said, “The wind moves.”
They argued back and forth but could not agree.

Hui-neng, the sixth patriarch, said: “Gentlemen! It is not
the flag that moves. It is not the wind that moves. It is
your mind that moves.”

The two monks were struck with awe.
​

Consciousness is tied to space.

Yes, the three monks.

 

[seattlegal]

Yes, the three monks.

You forgot about the fourth monkey.

 

[seattlegal]

We can say that the void was utter inactivity in this sense, but it was never darkness, darkness has no concept without vision.

Actually, void is highly unstable, which would suggest just the opposite of utter inactivity. {References from Steven Hawking and Chuang Tzu provided upon request.}

 

[luecy7]

You forgot about the fourth monkey.

Maybe you are right?