agnosticism

[Lunitik]

That's about giving up clinging and attachments.

Here are two other translations for comparison:

Abandon anger, be done with conceit, get beyond every fetter. When for name & form you have no attachment — have nothing at all — no sufferings, no stresses, invade.

Kodhavagga: Anger

221. One should give up anger, renounce pride, and overcome all fetters. Suffering never befalls him who clings not to mind and body and is detached.

Kodhavagga: Anger

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Mushin is also about about the mind being unattached--free from anger, fear, and micromanaging--getting out of your own way, so to speak. It is not about nullification of mind, it is about a purified mind.

Mind is an attachment, worse it is the fundamental identification for most people today - as your refusal to accept my statements depicts.

Mind is a fetter, but of course memories do not vanish, you will still be capable of accessing them - including things you've learned, everything packed into your brain - the only difference is that when not needed it is not active at all. This is exactly enlightenment, prolonging those gaps of inactivity until they are your normal state, this is exactly the awakening Buddha talks about.

Mushin is what Western athletes might call "The Zone", it is not a state of thinking at all and mind is exactly the collective thoughts that are constant in our heads normally. It is a state of higher conscious, a state of absolute awareness, but for this to occur mind cannot chatter. If mind is chattering, you are not fully concentrated, you are not total in the activity...

Enlightenment is about being a totality, no more dividing between this and that, no more considering anything, just trusting the flow of life completely - that surrender is it.

 

[Etu Malku]

The East is not about personality, it is about dropping this persona utterly.

Buddha has talked directly and extensively about no-self, so the whole grounds of his argument in this video is wrong. For Buddha, the ultimate is becoming absolutely nothing, if you think you have a soul then that too is another illusion and another clinging - you simply are not.

I'm noticing a trend here . . . everyone (even scholars) is wrong except for you

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Duh, especially scholars, because they study dead texts when they should meditate and let go of ego.
I warned you, you can't win this, he has a perfect fortress build around him.

 

[Etu Malku]

Duh, especially scholars, because they study dead texts when they should meditate and let go of ego.
I warned you, you can't win this, he has a perfect fortress build around him.

So it appears so!
Me thinks instead of approaching this from behind the Jungian shadow, I should go forward from my own beliefs.

 

[seattlegal]

The East is not about personality, it is about dropping this persona utterly.

Buddha has talked directly and extensively about no-self, so the whole grounds of his argument in this video is wrong. For Buddha, the ultimate is becoming absolutely nothing, if you think you have a soul then that too is another illusion and another clinging - you simply are not.

Buddhism is the middle path between eternalism and nihilism.

Mind is an attachment, worse it is the fundamental identification for most people today - as your refusal to accept my statements depicts.

Mind is a fetter, but of course memories do not vanish, you will still be capable of accessing them - including things you've learned, everything packed into your brain - the only difference is that when not needed it is not active at all. This is exactly enlightenment, prolonging those gaps of inactivity until they are your normal state, this is exactly the awakening Buddha talks about.

Mushin is what Western athletes might call "The Zone", it is not a state of thinking at all and mind is exactly the collective thoughts that are constant in our heads normally. It is a state of higher conscious, a state of absolute awareness, but for this to occur mind cannot chatter. If mind is chattering, you are not fully concentrated, you are not total in the activity...

Enlightenment is about being a totality, no more dividing between this and that, no more considering anything, just trusting the flow of life completely - that surrender is it.

Pabhassara Sutta: Luminous
"Luminous, monks, is the mind. And it is defiled by incoming defilements." {I,v,9}
"Luminous, monks, is the mind. And it is freed from incoming defilements." {I,v,10}
"Luminous, monks, is the mind. And it is defiled by incoming defilements. The uninstructed run-of-the-mill person doesn't discern that as it actually is present, which is why I tell you that — for the uninstructed run-of-the-mill person — there is no development of the mind." {I,vi,1}
"Luminous, monks, is the mind. And it is freed from incoming defilements. The well-instructed disciple of the noble ones discerns that as it actually is present, which is why I tell you that — for the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones — there is development of the mind." {I,vi,2}


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The only one who doesn't cast a shadow is standing in the dark.

Duh, especially scholars, because they study dead texts when they should meditate and let go of ego.
I warned you, you can't win this, he has a perfect fortress build around him.

A fortress, or a prison?

 

[seattlegal]

So it appears so!
Me thinks instead of approaching this from behind the Jungian shadow, I should go forward from my own beliefs.

Some music for your endeavour?

Forty Six & 2 - Tool - YouTube

 

[Lunitik]

I'm noticing a trend here . . . everyone (even scholars) is wrong except for you

Especially scholars*

Pursuing religion through intellect is utterly stupid, at least Jung hasn't done that. I simply say his work will do more damage than good by its very nature, but he is a true psychologist, it is expected that they always approach wrongly.

 

[Lunitik]

Buddhism is the middle path between eternalism and nihilism.

Buddhism's primary teaching is the Middle Path in *every* situation, pick any two opposites and Buddha stands between them. Picking only one limits him...

 

[Lunitik]

Duh, especially scholars, because they study dead texts when they should meditate and let go of ego.
I warned you, you can't win this, he has a perfect fortress build around him.

Would you expect Jesus or Buddha to accept biased opinions of those around them? I have no hangups about saying most on this site are approaching the topic of religion utterly idiotically, I have arrived at where religion points though so I can correct - it's not so different than either of these men have done, Jesus against the Jews, Buddha against the Hindu's.

 

[Etu Malku]

Some music for your endeavour?

Forty Six & 2 - Tool - YouTube

I love Tool, I've met Danny once, he is a Thelemite. Thank you!
** Just read the bottom . . . double thanks for the Shadow!!

 

[Etu Malku]

Buddhism's primary teaching is the Middle Path in *every* situation, pick any two opposites and Buddha stands between them. Picking only one limits him...

Luciferianism is the balancing of both extremes, as in the Hermetic pendulum, to be centered is stasis, but to know the extremes lends itself to gnosis.

 

[A Cup Of Tea]

Would you expect Jesus or Buddha to accept biased opinions of those around them? I have no hangups about saying most on this site are approaching the topic of religion utterly idiotically, I have arrived at where religion points though so I can correct - it's not so different than either of these men have done, Jesus against the Jews, Buddha against the Hindu's.

I believe that you believe that and I understand why you believe that, that is enough for me. We still disagree on most things, but that is not important.

 

[Snoopy]

I love Tool, I've met Danny once, he is a Thelemite. Thank you!
** Just read the bottom . . . double thanks for the Shadow!!

Trent has done the score for the upcoming new film Girl with the Dragon Tattoo. Order your popcorn now!!!

 

[Etu Malku]

Would you expect Jesus or Buddha to accept biased opinions of those around them? I have no hangups about saying most on this site are approaching the topic of religion utterly idiotically, I have arrived at where religion points though so I can correct - it's not so different than either of these men have done, Jesus against the Jews, Buddha against the Hindu's.

Your Self-Placement of importance and enlightenment in our mere existences is sickening to me and in my mind one step away from proselyting. Your choice of antagonistic words such as 'hangups' 'idiotically' along with many other words from previous posts makes you look more like a soapbox preacher than anyone enlightened.

Your so called 'corrections' are nothing more than delusions of a Narcissistic mind bent on adoration and superiority, instead of providing true love, pathwork and enlightenment to your fellow Man.

Climb on down . . . I got your hand, it's OK

 

[Lunitik]

I believe that you believe that and I understand why you believe that, that is enough for me. We still disagree on most things, but that is not important.

I would appreciate you ceasing to make snark comments then, if you do not wish to engage in discussion then I see no reason for such statements at all. I hope one day you attain to the Ultimate, but your skepticism is not going to help. You do not have to trust me, but you will have to trust someone if you are to get passed this stage.

I think people are brash towards me because people are so sure prior enlightened people are something special, thus my statements seem egotistical. It is not the case, I know that every single person has this seed, but they themselves stop it from sprouting and eventually flowering. Man is ready to throw away the stupid superstitions about religion, there is a very real purpose to them all but so far we cling to a particular arrival rather than take the journey ourselves. It must change...

Part of the search is to find one you can accept and take a map from, the map is not a help though, no matter how much you study the map you have not been to the destination so you know nothing of the place. I invite you to visit, look around, it is truly beautiful.

 

[Lunitik]

Your Self-Placement of importance and enlightenment in our mere existences is sickening to me and in my mind one step away from proselyting. Your choice of antagonistic words such as 'hangups' 'idiotically' along with many other words from previous posts makes you look more like a soapbox preacher than anyone enlightened.

What importance have I put on myself? I have said I am enlightened, I have said anyone can become enlightened but it is helpful to be shown the way. If you are steering off course, I will not accept it, I will try to bring you back because I can see the error. My pointing this out is offensive to you, so be it, I am only showing how strong your ego is and how far you still have to go.

Your so called 'corrections' are nothing more than delusions of a Narcissistic mind bent on adoration and superiority, instead of providing true love, pathwork and enlightenment to your fellow Man.

There is nothing of narcissism in my words at all, I am not collecting a following - I abhor the very idea. There is something superior about me, I have simply seen the destination and have come back to assist other wanderers. What greater love would you have me show than this?

Climb on down . . . I got your hand, it's OK

You would have me return to mediocrity instead of work to create more exceptional beings? Humans are destined to be exceptional as a species, but they are stuck too much on their animal nature. We think we are already exceptional, that is the problem, we are satisfied with what we currently are but we can be much more.

 

[Etu Malku]

What importance have I put on myself? I have said I am enlightened, I have said anyone can become enlightened but it is helpful to be shown the way. If you are steering off course, I will not accept it, I will try to bring you back because I can see the error. My pointing this out is offensive to you, so be it, I am only showing how strong your ego is and how far you still have to go.

Well, you're not enlightened, so cool out. Stop trying to be a martyr, you're not and your offending anyone other than yourself. My ego is just fine, yours is what we are all wondering about here.

There is nothing of narcissism in my words at all, I am not collecting a following - I abhor the very idea. There is something superior about me, I have simply seen the destination and have come back to assist other wanderers. What greater love would you have me show than this?

I never said you were trying to develop a following.

There is something superior about me . . . Wow, are you for real?
You may believe you have seen a destination and are bringing something back to us, but you aren't really, unless it is arrogance and narcissism.

You would have me return to mediocrity instead of work to create more exceptional beings? Humans are destined to be exceptional as a species, but they are stuck too much on their animal nature. We think we are already exceptional, that is the problem, we are satisfied with what we currently are but we can be much more.

There is nothing exceptional about you that I have seen, don't assume everyone except you is not exceptional, that is a terrible and false premise harboring on the exact problem that most religions engage in.

All Hail the Lunitik . . . our savior!

 

[seattlegal]

There is nothing of narcissism in my words at all, I am not collecting a following - I abhor the very idea. There is something superior about me, I have simply seen the destination and have come back to assist other wanderers. What greater love would you have me show than this?



You would have me return to mediocrity instead of work to create more exceptional beings? Humans are destined to be exceptional as a species, but they are stuck too much on their animal nature. We think we are already exceptional, that is the problem, we are satisfied with what we currently are but we can be much more.

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

 

[Lunitik]

Well, you're not enlightened, so cool out. Stop trying to be a martyr, you're not and your offending anyone other than yourself. My ego is just fine, yours is what we are all wondering about here.

Why do you say I am not enlightened? It is your ego that won't permit you to consider it.

 

[Lunitik]

Before enlightenment, chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment, chop wood, carry water.

Yes, which makes it humorous that people expect something superhuman...

I only want to show the way to others, that's it... the insight gained needs to be shared with everyone, but it is not something which should increase ego or anything else. We worship men for this, but why? It is simply the human potential achieved, the flowering of the human seed.