Thoughts about Trinity beliefs

[Longfellow]

They are ...

There might be some confusion here about who "they" are. Some people are promoting actual Trinitarian teachings. Others are just using "the Trinity" as a prop for substituting God in the place of Jesus to explain how a few hours of Him suffering can equal the punishment that all people all through time deserve, or the debt that they owe, for their sins, and don't know or care at all about the distinction between the persons.

 

[walter]

They are ...

All the scriptures I cited explain that Our God is also Jesus God. Jesus gets all his authority, power and will, from his his father.

John 5:19
English Standard Version
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

Do people that believe in the Trinity Use these three points in their understanding?

 

[Longfellow]

All the scriptures I cited explain that Our God is also Jesus God. Jesus gets all his authority, power and will, from his his father.

John 5:19
English Standard Version
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

Do people that believe in the Trinity Use these three points In their understanding?

Probably some do and some don't. Also it depends on what you mean by "the Trinity." It means very different things to different people. For some people, it means exactly what the Bible says. For others, it just means that they can substitute God in the place of Jesus as the one who suffered on the cross.

 

[walter]

Thanks to everyone, I am still learning, I appreciate everybody's good advice and will continue to keep it in mind and continue to learn more.

 

[Longfellow]

Thanks to everyone, I am still learning, I appreciate everybody's good advice and will continue to keep it in mind and continue to learn more.

Sorry for the antagonism in some of my posts.

 

[walter]

Sorry for the antagonism in some of my posts.

I think it's difficult to explain things for both of us, but I try my best and I'm sure you do the same.

 

[Faithfulservant]

There's a hierarchy.. the Holy Spirit points us to Jesus and Jesus points us to the Father. It doesn't imply that they aren't equal that they don't all have the same authority and power.. liken it to a family unit. Jesus came as a man.. He wasn't always a man.. He could appear as one but He was always the Logos.

 

[walter]

There's a hierarchy.. the Holy Spirit points us to Jesus and Jesus points us to the Father. It doesn't imply that they aren't equal that they don't all have the same authority and power.. liken it to a family unit. Jesus came as a man.. He wasn't always a man.. He could appear as one but He was always the Logos.

To me a belief is explained by the words that is in each scripture. The three points I made earlier came directly out of the scriptures that I listed.

Everybody has their own way to find truth.

 

[Thomas]

All the scriptures I cited explain that Our God is also Jesus God. Jesus gets all his authority, power and will, from his his father.

Yes, because He is God, the Son of God.

John 5:19
English Standard Version
So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise.

John 5:19
Do people that believe in the Trinity Use these three points in their understanding?

Yes.

"the Son can do nothing of his own accord"
– Because the Son is the fulfilment of the will of the Father. There is no distinction between them. Later he will berate his disciple: "Philip, he that sees me sees the father also" (John 14:9).

"but only what he sees the Father doing."
– Because the Son is with the Father in Heaven. He shares the same divine life. Only he sees the Father.

"For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise."
– the Son does the same as the Father. He is equal to the Father, because everything the Father has, He has given the Son.
Whatever the Father does (who is God), the Son does likewise (because He is God) – "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

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21: "For just as the Father raises the dead and makes them live, so the Son makes alive those whom he will;
22: "for the Father does not judge anyone, but has given the judgment of all to the Son,
23: "that all may honour the Son as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour
the Father who has sent him."
This verse is crucial – If Jesus is not God, as the Father is God, then this goes against the First Commandment and the Shema Israel.

 

[Thomas]

Mispost

 

[walter]

Yes, because He is God, the Son of God.




Yes.

"the Son can do nothing of his own accord"
– Because the Son is the fulfilment of the will of the Father. There is no distinction between them. Later he will berate his disciple: "Philip, he that sees me sees the father also" (John 14:9).

"but only what he sees the Father doing."
– Because the Son is with the Father in Heaven. He shares the same divine life. Only he sees the Father.

"For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise."
– the Son does the same as the Father. He is equal to the Father, because everything the Father has, He has given the Son.
Whatever the Father does (who is God), the Son does likewise (because He is God) – "I and the Father are one" (John 10:30).

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21: "For just as the Father raises the dead and makes them live, so the Son makes alive those whom he will;
22: "for the Father does not judge anyone, but has given the judgment of all to the Son,
23: "that all may honour the Son as they honour the Father. Whoever does not honour the Son does not honour
the Father who has sent him."
This verse is crucial – If Jesus is not God, as the Father is God, then this goes against the First Commandment and the Shema Israel.

I respectively disagree. What is crucial may be different to each individual.

 

[Thomas]

That's fine.

 

[Faithfulservant]

To me a belief is explained by the words that is in each scripture. The three points I made earlier came directly out of the scriptures that I listed.

Everybody has their own way to find truth.

That sounds suspiciously like all paths lead to God. That i cannot agree on. Scripture does not support that. There is extreme emphasis on false teachers by Jesus and the apostles.

 

[walter]

That sounds suspiciously like all paths lead to God.

No I do not believe all paths lead to God.

I think if we filled our post with only scriptures, that would be good. but I am not that good at it.

Thank you and peace be with you.

 

[Longfellow]

That is precisely what Christian Trinitarian doctrine does.

Your issue with my statement is the word triune? I'm not sure why so can you explain? I do not listen to the many but I do have bible teachers that I follow and I've said this. These teachers tell me not to believe them but to search out scripture for myself. I'm a non denominational protestant. Trinity is the doctrine.. triune describes God in the doctrine.

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adjective
adjective: triune

1. consisting of three in one (used especially with reference to the Trinity).
   "the triune Godhead"

Jn. 17:3, 1Pet. 1:3, Eph. 1:3, Rom. 15:6, Eph. 1:17, Jn. 20:17, 1Cor. 8:6, 1Tim. 2:5, Jn. 5:30, 5:19, 6:38, 8:28, 14:10;
Matt. 16:16-17, 28:18

Thomas, Faithfulservant, walter, If you believe that the Jesus whose story is told in the gospels is our Master and our Lord, like He says He is, I'm hoping for you to post in this thread: Master and Lord