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Israeli Spokesman Says We Control Stupid Americans | Pakistan Daily



Sunday, 01 February 2009 01:09

"Another Israeli spokeswoman, Tzipora Menache, stated that she was not worried about negative ramifications the Israeli onslaught on Gaza might have on the way the Obama administration would view Israel. She said 'You know very well, and the stupid Americans know equally well, that we control their government, irrespective of who sits in the White House. You see, I know it and you know it that no American president can be in a position to challenge us even if we do the unthinkable. What can they (Americans) do to us? We control congress, we control the media, we control show biz, and we control everything in America. In America you can criticize God, but you can't criticize Israel."

Commenting on the latest Israeli one-directional onslaught against the Palestinians of Gaza Strip, the Israeli 10th TV channel has disclosed that the Israeli genocidal forces had used half of its air force and had launched at least 2500 air raids against Gaza Strip.

The television military correspondent stated that the Israeli warplanes had dropped more than a thousand tons of explosives, including white phosphorous and DIME (Dense Inert Metal Explosive) bombs, during three weeks on the virtually unarmed densely populated 360 square Kilometers Strip.

He added that the shells fired by tanks, artillery, gunboats, and infantry were not included in those fired by the air force.

After a whole week of continuous air bombardments Israel sent in its elite foot soldiers; 30,000 of them, and called in 10,000 of its reservists. Armed with the latest weapons of mass murder, covered with an umbrella of free reigning air force, and accompanied with raining shells of heavy artilleries, they drove their tanks into the civilian towns murdering civilians and destroying every structure in their path.

Living outside of Gaza one cannot fully understand the barbarity of this genocide especially when the Western media had barely covered any of its atrocity. To gain a slight idea of its enormity one should remember that, during the 6-days war of 1967, this same Israeli army was distributed on four fronts; Egyptian, Jordanian, Syrian, and Lebanese, and it was fighting regular armies. Now the whole brunt of this army is concentrated on a small strip against unarmed and untrained civilian population.

Latest official count was 1350 murdered, 40% of them were children, and 5300 were injured; mutilated and amputated. It was reported that 80% of the injured were the victims of burning phosphorous bombs. More dead are being discovered under the rebels, and many seriously injured are expected later on to die.

Israeli tanks had left several city blocks completely destroyed without any homes or structure standing. The tanks shelled homes and apartment towers. Due to the small size of Gaza Strip Palestinians had to build vertically. Many apartment towers went up 15-20 stories high with each story containing 6-8 apartments.

A total of 20,000 buildings were completely or partially burnt and damaged. The UN has reported that more than 50,000 Palestinians are left homeless and are now crowded into 50 emergency shelters.

An estimated of 50,000 more are living with relatives and in tents they erected on the ruins of their homes.

The Israeli bombardment targeted everything in Gaza including government buildings, police headquarters, banks and business offices, the main university, 67 schools sheltering civilians, shopping centers and market places, factories, water, sewer, and electricity infrastructures, private homes and apartment towers and charity organizations.

Farms, including their animals, were also targeted and hundreds of acres of crops and fruit groves were incinerated. Religious buildings, where civilians usually seek shelter, were specifically targeted. Israeli fighter planes had completely destroyed 41 mosques, and partially damaged 51 others. One church was also targeted. Even cemeteries were not spared; 5 of them were bombed.

Although the Israeli army was given the exact GPS co-ordinates of every UN structure, as asserted by Christopher Gunness, the UNRWA spokesman, Israeli F-16 planes had repeatedly dropped phosphorous bombed on UN schools knowing very well that hundreds of civilians had taken shelter there. At least 45 children and women were burnt and murdered there.

The UN headquarters in Gaza City was also hit with three, not just one, phosphorous bombs burning tons of humanitarian aid and food stuff. The fire kept on burning for three days. UN-flagged humanitarian convoy was also shelled killing one driver.

Medical centers and paramedics were not spared. The Red Crescent Al-Quds hospital in Tal el-Hawa neighborhood was hit by Israeli shells and caught on fire. Other two hospitals; Al-Wafa and Al-Fata hospitals, were also shelled, leading the World Health Organization to express its deep concern about the serious implications of such bombardments. 16 other smaller health clinics and 16 ambulances were also damaged. Medics were targeted and prevented from helping the injured. Ten of them, including two doctors, were murdered.

Media centers were particularly targeted. Local and international news reporters were prevented from entering Gaza. Those, who were able to enter, were directly targeted. The Al-Shuruq office tower housing several international and Arab media outlets was directly hit. Two cameramen working for Abu Dhabi TV were injured, while the offices of Reuters News Agency, Fox TV, Sky, and Al-Arabiya TV offices were damaged. Another raid had damaged the headquarter offices of Al-Resala newspaper.

Similar to all their previous wars the Israeli soldiers had committed massacres against Palestinian unarmed civilians. They have used internationally banned weapons such as phosphorous bombs, DIME, and depleted uranium, as reported by international physicians, eyewitnesses, and military experts. Israeli soldiers had mutilated the bodies of their victims to instill terror in the hearts of people hoping they will leave Gaza. Israeli soldiers herded many families in one building using them as human shield, and then later on bombed the building on top of them. They shot civilians, mainly children, directly and at point blank. The bodies of some children were found shot several times; as many as 18 bullets in the body of a 12 years old girl, and 12 bullets in the body of her 2 years old sister.

Israeli soldiers had wiped off whole Palestinian families. Al-Samuni family lost 11 members, Abu Aisha family lost 6, Batran family lost 6, al-Rayyan family lost 15 and al-Balousha family lost 5 sisters. Other families, too many to mention here, were either murdered or incinerated by the phosphorous bombs. The Israeli army has been carrying out a deliberate indiscriminate mass murder. During the first Intifada, 1987 – 1993, they murdered 1162 Palestinians. During the second Intifada, 2001- 2006, they murdered 5500 Palestinians. Now, in a short period of three weeks, they murdered 1350 Palestinians.

This onslaught is a holocaust since the many tons of phosphorous bombs, dropped on Gaza cities, had burnt civilians to the bones, burnt their homes and buildings, and burnt their fields and crops. This is the holocaust that the Israeli Deputy Defense Minister, Matan Vilnai, had threatened Palestinians with when he stated: "the more Qassam fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, they will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah (holocaust) because we will use all our might to defend ourselves."

One cannot help but wonder how could a group of people, who claim to be the victims of a holocaust, commit another holocaust against another nation. What is it that feeds, perpetuates and intensifies this Judaic genocidal spirit although all Arabs, including Palestinians, had offered these Zionist Jews many agreements of coexistence, peace and security? The answer comes through their media outlets, through the words of their scholarly educators, and through the teachings of their Rabbis.

"All of the Palestinians must be killed; men, women, infants, and even their beasts" cries the religious opinion of Rabbi Yisrael Rosen, the director of the long-established Tsomet Religious Institute. He wrote that Palestinians are like the nation of Amalekites, who attacked the Israelite tribes led by Moses on their way to Jerusalem. He stated that the Lord sent down in the Torah a ruling that allowed the Jews to kill the Amalekites, and that this ruling is known in Jewish jurisprudence.

The Torah states: "Annihilate the Amalekites from the beginning to the end. Kill them and wrest them from their possessions. Show them no mercy. Kill continuously, one after the other. Leave no child, plant, or tree. Kill their beasts, from camels to donkeys." Rosen stated that Amalekites are not a particular race, but rather all those who hate and oppose the Jews; Christians and Muslims.

Many leading Israeli Rabbis support Rosen’s views. Israel’s former Sephardic Chief Rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu advocated carpet bombing of Gaza stating that "there is absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during massive military offensive on Gaza" (The Jerusalem Post, 30 May, 2007). His son Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu amplified his father’s genocidal call stating: "if they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand, then we must kill 10,000 and even a million"

Many Rabbis had argued that Palestinians in Gaza are not innocent civilians and that during war time it is not individuals but nations the Israelis are fighting. (It seems that Hitler had adopted this Telmudic teaching when he persecuted all European Jews)

Israeli educators, scholars, and politicians, openly, advocate the annihilation of all Palestinians. Dr. Nachum Rakover, a legal scholar, opined "They voted for killers and sent them to kill us. To call them (civilians) innocent is a tragic comedy… civilians are partners of the killers" Eli Yeshai, Israeli official in the Orthodox Shas party argued that "extermination of the enemy is sanctioned by the Torah" Many other politicians called for the need for "wiping off Gaza from the face of earth", and "annihilating of every moving thing there." The right-wing Israeli politician Avigdor Lieberman proposed nuking Gaza following the US example when it dropped the atomic bomb on Japan during WWII.

This "ideology of annihilation" is by no means a minority opinion in Israel, but represents a mainstream in the Jews of Israel as well as Jews in the West (US). The popular attitude is "if it was right by God to order us to commit genocide during Biblical time, why can’t it be right to commit genocide now. Has God changed his mind?" Indeed Judaic god is a racist genocidal god.

Watch and listen here to an example of how Israeli Jews are brainwashed and indoctrinated into the ideology of annihilation by their rabbis and scholars through Israeli media. Watch Max Blumenthal’s videotape of a group of messianic Orthodox Jewish Chabad-Lubavitch exhibit this ideology in NYC in January 11, 2009.

The Israeli spokesman, Nachman Abramovic demonized Palestinian children stating "They may look young to you, but these people are terrorists at heart. Don’t look at their deceptively innocent faces, try to think of the demons inside each of them … I am absolutely certain these people would grow to be evil terrorists if we allowed them to grow… would you allow them to grow to kill your children or finish them off right now? … honost and moral people ought to differentiate between true humans and human animals. We do kill human animals and we do so unapologetically. Besides who in the West is in a position to lecture us on killing human animals. After all, whose hands are clean?"

Human animal mentioned by Abramovic refers to the Judaic religious belief that Jews are Gods chosen people; the elite and the pure-blooded, while all others (non-Jews, Goyims, gentiles) are animal souls incarnated into human bodies to serve the Jews. Killing a human animal is just a sport like hunting deer or birds.

Discuss...
 
this "tzipora menache" sounds like she's been made up. just google the name:

"Tzipora Menache" - Google Search

the only hits you're getting are from islamist sites and stormfront, for feck's sake. is there any record of this so-called comment from anywhere reputable?

as for the rest of your comment, what is there to discuss with you? you've already made up your mind. and there was me thinking you liked evidence.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
As awful as the December-January actions of the IDF against Gaza are, and as awful as some of the quotes and figures peppering this article are, I think the article also paints with a broad brush. The intention seems to be to label Judaism as a religion which sanctions and even requires the genocide of entire peoples; this is no different than the many accusations made against Islam.

I think it's true that both "holy books" prescribe, recount, and/or justify some horrendous actions, even genocides, against demonized out-groups. It simply isn't gong to be sensible, humane, productive, or pretty to pit two groups against each other, when each maintains the righteousness of their actions by using their own holy books.

Then again, not all Jews or Muslims are extremists or militant ideologues. The problem seems to lay at least partly in the passion and fervor of extremes of faith, but perhaps the biggest contributer to this kind of inhumane violence is the broad labeling of entire groups as sub-human and somehow irredeemable.
 
this "tzipora menache" sounds like she's been made up. just google the name:

"Tzipora Menache" - Google Search

the only hits you're getting are from islamist sites and stormfront, for feck's sake. is there any record of this so-called comment from anywhere reputable?

as for the rest of your comment, what is there to discuss with you? you've already made up your mind. and there was me thinking you liked evidence.

b'shalom

bananabrain

The opening quote is quite hard to believe, and the "Pakistan Daily" site looks more than a little questionable.
 
this "tzipora menache" sounds like she's been made up. just google the name:

"Tzipora Menache" - Google Search

the only hits you're getting are from islamist sites and stormfront, for feck's sake. is there any record of this so-called comment from anywhere reputable?

as for the rest of your comment, what is there to discuss with you? you've already made up your mind. and there was me thinking you liked evidence.

b'shalom

bananabrain


*Scratches head*

The item is there for debate, one way or another, any way, in fact.

Not sure what you think I have made my mind up about?

Do you refute everything within the content of the article?

Thanks
 
It sounds like a "user-submitted" site, which means there's no editorial process, just people publishing what they like.

It's the sort of material that periodically does the rounds - I'm sure I've seen a version like this before - but the point of it is that it's fake, and put up just to arouse anger.

I mean, seriously, would any country with any significant government call American's stupid, especially if they were allies? It's certainly not something Israel appears to ever do, so it's worth considering that if it sounds like a duck...

EDIT: Yep, it's just a cheap Joomla install, not what you'd expect from a high end site. Heck, even I code more complex things than that. :) I also found a link to register as a writer - perhaps I should publish something saying that God has been found alive and well, and working at Wal Mart? ;)
 
It sounds like a "user-submitted" site, which means there's no editorial process, just people publishing what they like.

It's the sort of material that periodically does the rounds - I'm sure I've seen a version like this before - but the point of it is that it's fake, and put up just to arouse anger.

I mean, seriously, would any country with any significant government call American's stupid, especially if they were allies? It's certainly not something Israel appears to ever do, so it's worth considering that if it sounds like a duck...

EDIT: Yep, it's just a cheap Joomla install, not what you'd expect from a high end site. Heck, even I code more complex things than that. :) I also found a link to register as a writer - perhaps I should publish something saying that God has been found alive and well, and working at Wal Mart? ;)

Is it essentially a glorified blog?

Is Tzipora Menache a real person, I wonder.

Perhaps we could establish that?
 
Yep - it looks like a community blog that allows anyone to register as a writer.
 
seems someone has been a little bit over-eager to believe the worst of israel. and you know what the worst thing is? if you follow the google search i posted, it's being reposted all over a bunch of radical islamist and neonazi sites. is it any wonder jews are being attacked in the street and synagogues being firebombed - in the UK?

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
seems someone has been a little bit over-eager to believe the worst of israel. and you know what the worst thing is? if you follow the google search i posted, it's being reposted all over a bunch of radical islamist and neonazi sites. is it any wonder jews are being attacked in the street and synagogues being firebombed - in the UK?

b'shalom

bananabrain

There are Jews who I know who are themselves keen to criticise Israel and their policies, such as they are.

There are Jews who tell me that the very creation of Israel goes against the Torah.

I am not Jewish, therefore, I will take their word for it.

I am in the UK, genuinely have not noticed a wide spread increase on attacks on Jews and their places of worship.

Thanks
 
enlightenment said:
There are Jews who I know who are themselves keen to criticise Israel and their policies, such as they are.
so? i'm not suggesting israel should be exempt from criticism.

There are Jews who tell me that the very creation of Israel goes against the Torah.
yes, there are some ultra-orthodox sects that believe that, the most extreme is called "neturei karta" and they are not only a tiny sect (less than ten thousand worldwide) but are so extreme that they actually go to iran for their holocaust denial conferences and talk about how the holocaust was punishment for sinfulness, G!D Forbid. they are always happy to stand there looking like ultra-orthodox stereotypes for photo-ops to show how ahmedinejad or whoever it is this week isn't anti-jewish, just anti-zionist. in their view, they are the only real jews on the planet and the rest of us don't count. in this country they are a tiny minority yet they always manage to be at the front of the demo right in front of the photographers to show that "proper jews" condemn israel. incidentally, these people also think the internet goes against the Torah, yet they seem to have made arrangements to have a substantial web presence.

I am in the UK, genuinely have not noticed a wide spread increase on attacks on Jews and their places of worship.
oh, really? well, at my son's primary school, the security levy (that's the extra fee we have to pay for private security because the GOVERNMENT AND THE POLICE CAN'T AFFORD TO PROTECT US GIVEN THE EXTENT OF THE THREAT) has just gone up by 50%, but then you wouldn't know that, would you? presumably you avoid reading not only the JC:

Bid to ?rebomb synagogue as protests grow | The Jewish Chronicle

but the times:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article5525164.ece

the guardian:

Reaction from British Jews | World news | The Guardian

the evening standard:

Starbucks is firebombed 'in protest against Israel' | News

yet you seem to find time to notice a vicious piece of lying from some web rag that is popular with jihadis and neo-nazis. funny, that.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
"yet you seem to find time to notice a vicious piece of lying from some web rag that is popular with jihadis and neo-nazis. funny, that."


Um, no, I posted the original article as it was sent to me, together with a link. Others were then good enough to suggest it as fake. For that I thanked them. What's wrong with that? If you are suggesting something else, just come out and say it....
 
oh, i was just noting a pattern in your attitude to israel there. you seemed to accept the worst possible picture of israel without much question. although, to be fair, if this is where you're getting your info from (neturei karta and electronic intifada, i ask you!) it's hardly surprising. if you are willing to consider input from other sources, then, well, i have to be pleased about that.

b'shalom

bananabrain
 
oh, i was just noting a pattern in your attitude to israel there. you seemed to accept the worst possible picture of israel without much question. although, to be fair, if this is where you're getting your info from (neturei karta and electronic intifada, i ask you!) it's hardly surprising. if you are willing to consider input from other sources, then, well, i have to be pleased about that.

b'shalom

bananabrain


But chap, until you told me otherwise, I did not realise those orthodox jews were a fringe group, so now I have learned something, and taken that on board, just as I will take on board anything else which you can offer me.

Fair enough?

:)
 
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