Atheism in Hinduism

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  1. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    I shall send an invitation to the calmer one post haste. :D
     
  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Labels have their own importance. Can you reach my house if I do not give you the address?

    Brahman can be taken as the Supreme Spirit or it could be taken just as 'what exists'. Who knows Brahman? In that case one is an atheist and could as well be a hindu too (which I am, a hindu atheist). My spirituality does not require God/Gods/Goddesses/soul/creation/birth/death/judgment/reward or punishment. :)
     
  3. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    And why is hinduism a misnomer? Hinduism can embrace various 'matas' (opinions) and panthas' (roads). It is not like christianity and islam that if you do not accept what the book says, you cannot escape eternal hell. It is not a misnomer but the western people need to understand that worshiping this God or that Goddess or none is negotiable. What is not negotiable is 'dharma' (one's duties and righteous action). Gods and Goddesses are not the base of hinduism, 'dharma' is.
     
  4. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    No, I do not give offerings-arti to local or mainstream Gods and Goddesses and I do not ever seek any divine help. I am a strong atheist. I realize they are stories in which my society has woven its morality and ethics. That does not mean that I show disrespect to them or their stories. These are beacons for hindu morality and ethics. Whether fair or unfair, these stories still teach us something.
     
  5. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    My logic is not based on perception. Perception is a mirage. BhagawadGeeta clearly contradicts perception. It does not even accept the killed and the killer. Nothing that we perceive is true. I accept 'Anumana' (like the Vaisesikas). What I would not believe is Shabda. That needs to be verified. Why are miracles perceived only by devotees? Why do I not perceive them? I would accept them if there was independent evidence. Bliss/Satisfaction is derived from getting answers to one's questions. If all questions are answered, then it is 'supreme bliss', 'nirvana' (no forest, clear view), moksha, and 'gnana' (understanding). You have used ‘Yat Saakshat Aparokshaat’ and ‘Pratyagatmana Maikshat’ many a times on internet. Would you kindly give me the book number (mandala) and hymn (richa) so that I could check the meaning in context myself.
     
  6. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    We do not know what Brahman is. You say it is an absense, non-existence. It could be. Or it could be presence and existence. We do not have the answer yet. But this is something which needs to be looked into. Perhaps existence and non existence are related. Perhaps 'what exists' arises out of 'void'. Science is making inquiries. Even the 'Nasadiya Sukta' (you can check it at 'sacred-texts.com', Book 10, Hymn 129, Verse 4 - I cannot post the link yet. Perhaps Seattlegal would do it for me) in RigVeda hinted at that saying 'sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent.'

    I follow advaita but stop at 'Absolute truth' (Parmarthika). I do not accept 'Pragmatic' (Vyavaharika) as truth. That does away with 'Ishvara'. I have not stalled anywhere. I have not rejected mythology. I have accepted it for what it is, guidance for the society. I have no quarrel with theism. It may not be a necessity for me, but it is a necessity for many people.
    There is nothing beyond mind. What goal are you referring to and what makes you say that it transcends mind? At one time 'relativity' and 'quantum mechanics' also were beyond mind. It takes data and time to understand things.
     
  7. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Kindly give reference to the book and hymn where Vedas say this.
    :D Sometimes even the mother does not know. When Satyakama asked this question, his mother said, 'Son, at the time you were conceived, I sported with many men. I do not know who your father is.'
    I deny all, God/Gods/Goddesses and Soul, because I do not find any evidence.
     
  8. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Krishna instructed Arjuna according to Arjuna's capabilities. But he also said:

    "Gata-sangasya muktasya, jnānāvasthita-chetasah;
    yajnāyācharatah karma, samagram pravilīyate." (BhagawadGeeta 4.23)

    (The work of a man who is unattached to the modes of material nature and who is fully situated in transcendental knowledge merges entirely into transcendence.)

    He (or she, if the person is a woman) is Brahman, there is no difference. :)
     
  9. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Whey Kool, thank you Aupmanyav and SG.... I have new data and arguments to ponder!
     
  10. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Are we more than body (that includes mind as well)? Sure, meditate all you want. But what will you meditate on? Meditation is seeking answers to a question.
    No, you can't. If you can, prove logically the existence of God/Gods/Goddesses (in a separate topic).
    I do not think there is anything mystic with Advaita. Whatever the universe contains is made up of 'physical energy' (heat, light, electricity, gravity), so we say "Sarve Khalu Idam Brahma" (all things here are Brahman). I do not know of anything that is made up of anything other than 'physical energy'.
     
  11. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Space? Time? Qualia?
     
  12. Snoopy

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    I think 'muddled' ones need moderated forums ;)
     
  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Zero-point Energy. Space is energy/mass. Time also is somehow involved - acceleration changes mass - we (I) may not know exactly how.
    Which one of them am I? (I understand which person you may be talking about. But are there not people with muddied beliefs everywhere?) :D
     
  14. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    OK, you've outed me in my creative misspellings. Shall I proceed directly to the Two Truths thread, or can I stop by and pick up some dark chocolate on the way? ;)
     
  15. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Radarmark! Need your input on this!
     
  16. Snoopy

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    It may indeed come down to our current state of knowledge. And maybe a desire to maintain a more qualatative dimension to experience / reality. Space may be full of dark matter. E=mc2 removes that duality. Time and qualia are psychological constructs, and where is the mind located? I reject Cartesian dualism, I accept mind-body is undivided.

    What indeed can be left?
     
  17. Snoopy

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    That's always a good idea. Can you get Lindt 90% there? I thought it'd be too plain even for me but it is just heaven in a white wrapper.
     
  18. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    That is exactly what I'm munching on right now! :cool:
     
  19. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Urgh! It tastes like mud! Even my qualia are whacked! {Looks like this might a bumpy ride!} :eek:
     
  20. Snoopy

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    How spooky!
     

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