Thomas This is what I cannot get across to you. You have your beliefs and I believe they miss the essential purpose of Christianity. What I see happening is precisely this. The atheist sees through the BS so rightly questions it. This questioning is good for cleaning house. You refer to lesser or greater goods but what if this subjective perception of a greater good is just fantasy? Then the lesser good is greater. This is one of the advantages of esoteric Christianity in that it allows one to see through the BS through self knowledge rather than cling to blind faith.