I'm not accusing anyone of anything. The point is that Christianity asserts that we are a plurality and part of this plurality loves God but much of it doesn't. so whether or not we are in the act of loving god depends upon which of these aspects of our plurality are dominant. I have verified in myself that what Paul asserts is true. It is naive to accuse anyone of exhibiting the human condition since I have it as well. All that is suggested is that we are psychologically asleep and unaware of what is lost due to this slavery. This is why the Christian calling "to be" requires awakening. If a person doesn't believe he is as Paul described and content with his inner life as is, then esoteric Christianity can have no meaning for them. There is no need to accuse since there is no good or bad in it anymore then if a person admits they have a broken leg. It isn't a matter of right or wrong but how to heal it. I associate myself with them but know full well that I am not on their level. You quote the Quran but does that put you on the level as its source? I can quote some insights into a chess game by Kasparov but does this mean I play like Kasparov? No. However if someone feels as though it is worth reading Jacob Needleman's "Lost Christianity" from any excerpts I've posted, I feel I've done a good thing. There is no status in this, but rather it is the necessary effort to be human in the face of the expected growls of the status quo. Don't forget, people that have a deep need for meaning and cannot find it in fantasy land, the secular world, and all its expressions, are in a difficult spot. So if I can help in this regard, I believe it is the human thing to do rather then an effort for status.