Final Reply to BB

Discussion in 'Theology' started by Nick_A, Mar 25, 2009.

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  1. Nick_A

    Nick_A Interfaith Forums

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    You misunderstand. We are in denial since we have come to live through emotionally justified habitual reactions. This creates the psychological condition the great traditions refer to in one way or another as a "sleep" we can awaken from.

    We can trust what we consciously experience in our inner life. The problem is in becoming able to consciously experience since we mistakenly believe we already do. It would be foolish to concern ourselves with conscious self knowledge if it weren't possible. What anyone else has experienced is not the issue. Only what we consciously experience can have objective value for us.

    Regardless of Simone, a person can come to consciously experience how much they are governed by connotations. Then they can decide if they want to continue this way or become open to conscious inner freedom.

    There is no secular good or evil in esoteric Christianity. It simply is what it is and the lawful result of what we "ARE" both individually and collectively. Esoteric Christianity validates the human condition for the purpose of re-birth. It isn't against anything but just advocates conscious evolution. Christianity has an exoteric form that advocates a life of social responsibility. There is nothing wrong with this. It is a good thing. However esoteric Christianity appreciates human hypocrisy and Man's evolutionary potential.

    This is just silly because we are both flesh and spirit.

    Society has no reason to back it up and struggles against its awareness. The only argument is if a person feels as though human meaning and purpose is defined by societal needs. If a person feels like Simone that a human being has the potential to be more then a cog in the wheel of society, then they become open to the means that lead to the conscious direction of the "Pearl of Great Price."

    There is no "poor me" about it. I am part of a fine tradition that answers the questions I've felt vital from a very early age and has helped me to understand objective human meaning and purpose. There is nothing to be bitchy about.

    There is nothing to prove. If you are happy, why concern yourself with self knowledge that creates questions if you have no need for the potential results from these new questions?

    It isn't about me being right. We cannot experience what is obvious if we live in imagination. For anyone that agrees that we live primarily in imagination, then by definition, we miss the obvious. A person has to decide if they are willing to risk the pleasantries of imagination for opening to the harsh experiences of life itself. If not, it is better to just continue as is

    She is one of the rare few needing and willing to become open to this transition. Esoteric Christianity is about the potential for this transition or "awakening" with the help of the Holy Spirit.

    Then you would write from that perspective rather than argue duality. I haven't read it.

    The first three dimensions are length, width, and depth, that define our conception of space. Existence isn't in space but rather in time and begins at the fourth dimension of space. The first dimension of time, a "moment" begins and repeats at the fourth dimension of space. The second dimension of time manifesting in five dimensional space, is "eternity" and includes repeating moments in time. The third dimension of time manifests in six dimensional space and includes all potential eternities. Science is begging to contemplate this third dimension of space/time as something similar called multi universes.
     
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    i am NOT in denial. you are entitled to your opinion, but you don't know me and you make it abundantly clear you don't understand me, or what i write. all you do is just repeat the same assertions over and over again without showing any insight. it is very dull.

    now you're claiming that connotations are something they're not. this is idiotic.

    "it simply is" a load of old bollocks if it's anything like what you keep banging on about. frankly, i've met esoteric christians with a lot more education, a lot more humility and a lot more insight than you exhibit. they don't see the need to be the centre of attention and constantly complaining that nobody agrees with them.

    well, that's what you said. i can only respond to what you write, though i wonder what the point is.

    well, it's not helping anyone else here to do anything apart from find you irritating. yes, i know, society hates to hear the truth, yada yada....snore....

    i've never met anyone quite so smug about their ability to pre-emptively declare victory in a contest where they are the only entrant.

    ok, then. i have just had a vertical experience. in it, i connected to a Higher Power who had the following insight:

    "NICK A IS TALKING BOLLOCKS. AGAIN. YOU'RE WASTING YOUR TIME TALKING TO THE GUY, HE ISN'T INTERESTED IN DIALOGUE. NOW BEGONE LEST I SMITE THEE."

    now that is actually interesting. of course, from my perspective, the further breakdown of the fourth dimension puts it into G!DSpace, as it were, rather than verifiable human space. see, why can't you talk like that a bit more? just try it. talk without mentioning your conversational props, without reference to the cave, the beast, simone, needleman. you'll be a lot more interesting.

    b'shalom

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  3. Nick_A

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    It is you that doesn't understand denial or the meaning of connotations

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connotation

    A word has both a literal and an emotional meaning to someone. That is why people don't understand each other even though they use the same words. Prejudice is rarely based upon literal meaning but rather on emotional connotation. You deny this in yourself which is why you don't see your own prejudice.

    How you equate getting beyond good and evil with being the centre of attention is beyond me. I irritate you because I stress the importance of the realistic view of the human condition as the essential foundation for religious understanding and spiritual growth.

    People in modern times would rather ignore it in favor of platitudes concerning how we all are sons of god or something similar confusing the reality of the moment with human potential.

    It was illustrated in all the righteous indignation concerning passing the buck in matters of sex, sex energy, and the purpose of the body. People don't know how to communicate anything real so prefer passing the buck to the police and dead kids rather then trying to intentionally come to grips with the human condition. It exists in Judaism but you would prefer righteous indignation to the sincere attempt to understand it:

    The Human Condition in Judaism

    At least it is a beginning and worthwhile considering. I just don't believe evil is present at birth but rather what is considered evil is learned at an early age from enculturation. There is no "intent" for evil being expressed.[

    But no. We don't have the openness to contemplate the totality of the human condition so the quality of sex education is determined by ones ability to properly place a condom on a cucumber. If you think pointing out these sad realities without some misguided appeal to virtue represents a desire to be a centre of attention, you overestimate the value of cucumbers as a substitute.

    Perhaps he is right.

    This is a difference between us. You feel as though you are in a fight so victory is important to you. My concern is for the human condition and what is lost through your kind of fighting. I prefer to acknowledge the human condition and what our potential is to awaken to it. There is no victory in this but just the striving to become real.

    It would also be beneficial to experience the vertical inner meanings of the Star of David but why bother when it is more fun to argue and condemn.

    What is the Mystical Significance of the Star of David? - Kabbalah & The Mystical
     
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    i'm bored of this. and i'm bored of you. you don't listen. you don't understand, you just carry on with this glutinous, ill-digested claptrap. i'm done here.

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