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  1. Vajradhara

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    the only beneficial parts of $cientology are those parts that LRH took from other, established, psychological paradigms and systems. there is *nothing* original to $cientology that is beneficial. all of which is documented by the real doctors that LRH used to develop Dianetics.

    Tom Crui$e credits $cientology for helping him overcome his dyslexia and thus become a successful actor. i think that is the fallacy of affirming the consequent and Tom would have been a successful actor anyways. i really enjoyed Top Gun and Legend whereas movies like Mission Impossible left me uninspired by his acting.

    of course this is an old drum to beat for me....

    for any $cientologist reading this... remember what LRH said about the Tech? remember how he said that the Tech was free? the RTC owns the Tech now... and changed it! they charge for the Tech! the squirells have control of the Orgs now, just check out the RTC board!! three former IRS executives that for years blocked $cientology from tax-exempt status are now, along with three others, the owners of *all Tech*!!

    metta,

    ~v
     
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    Vajrad lol what is with all the '$' signs are you legion? lol. And the "tech" that is sold in scientology is like the bs, blessings, prayers, baptisims and other "services" which other religions supply. Replace tech for services... Majority of religions are tax exempt money making con artists... Selling you insurances you don't need.

    Wil PM: I don't think they should be allowed to -ban- scientology... Where is freedom? If that is what people want to follow then that should be allowed... If the country was to ban islam, christianity or another religion that would cause outrage of human rights being violated! Right? To me I think they're all bs.... And there is just the same amount of truth/accuracy/whatever in scientology as any other...

    It is simply not just to ban one religion, they all have the same face value lol You can't, simply can't say "You are NOT allowed to believe this!!!"
     
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    The state has a responsibility to protect its citizens. Scientology isn't disliked simply for being an American organization. They take alot of things into consideration as apply to everything else. You cant get a more politically correct country then Germany, espeically after what happened there in the second world war.
     
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    cult lol... what the big congreation calls the little congreation :p
     
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    Cults can be characterized.... They also been characterized in mainstream religions as well but not usually as abusive as NRM (New religious movements).
     
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    PM, could you please explain how the theory of evolution, a scientific theory that described how life evolved and diversified over billions of years on the Earth, played a role in Nazi Ideology?

    Is this a knock on Darwin, or just an example of people misusing science or technology?
     
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    What are you proposing here? Are you merely implying that people misuse science and technology for selfish and destructive aims?

    Or are you attempting to invalidate evolution?
     
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    The first one. I edited my post previously to you asking.
     
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    I would say that the use of Eugenics to prove homosexuality is a occultic.

    BBC News | SCI/TECH | A finger on sexuality

    And just to disprove those that from the previous threads who assumed Im Gay just because of my promotion of hetrosexuality, my ring finger is significantly bigger then my index.. Though this still holds no weight for me regardless.
     
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    PM, by your logic anybody who misuses a scientific theory for their own twisted end invalidates that theory.

    So we might also conclude that since people have misused Jesus and the Bible to further their twisted ends invalidates these as well.

    Congratulations PM. You've managed to destroy both science and religion in one thread. Even for you that is quite an overachievement.
     
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    Ive never said religion doesnt do this and is quite opposite to my views.

    CZ you really have a way of putting things into my words. Always seems to be you. I dont know if you have some ego issues but it seems that way.

    Theres nothing that I prefer more then discussion. Im not trying to dominate a forum with my ideas, although it may seem like this to you. Last time I have to defend myself cause i was assumed to be a biggot.
     
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    So that I don't put words in your mouth, could you please clarify this for me then...

    1. Is a scientific theory proven false if anybody uses it as a justification for acts of crime, violence or evil?

    2. Is a religion proven false if anybody uses it as a justification for acts of crime, violence or evil?

    3. What in this world hasn't been used as a justification for acts of crime, violence or evil?
     
  14. Vajradhara

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    Namaste alex,

    thank you for the post.

    $cientology is a trademark and if you use it without permission you can be sued. given their stated tactics of using the courts to stop their detractors, it's simply easier for me to use such misspellings.

    well.. of course... but that is not what they think nor what they call it. further, the Tech includes all the established psychological techniques and principles which others pioneered. in short, any of the "services" that $cientology sells are called "Tech" to distinguish them from what other religions offer.

    i agree. $cientology is, in and of itself, simply a fringe alien cult... the criminal orgnization of the RTC (Religious Technology Center) which seeks to subvert laws and governments, needs to be stopped, banned, outlawed or whatever is the apropos action to prohibit a criminal organization from operation.

    one of the main difficulties in this discussion arises due to the cults own secret nature which makes it difficult, if not impossible, for those beings not well studied on the cult to discern the different branches and practices of the cult.

    they promote their teachings through all manner of front companies which disavow any link with $cientology even though they may be directly linked to the RTC or any other front organization. LRH was an exceedingly successful conman which, if you've ever heard him speak or seen his physical form, seems rather surprising.

    yet.. there isn't. they actively promote things which everyone, and i mean this in a general way, knows is wrong. for instance, $cientology claims that smoking cigarettes reduces the chance for cancer and, in some cases, can cure it.

    it's not that their alien cult beliefs are any more or less true, for most people that is hardly ever part of the discussion anyways.. it's always about the mind control, money fleecing, kill those that disagree with us parts... but since most conversations about religions tend to be along emotional lines the conversation is rarely advanced in public discourse save things like this wherein beings are able to exercise more thought than emotion given the non-real time nature of the discussion.

    i agree on that level.. a being can beleive whatever they want. it is when the organization becomes criminal that the organization must be disbanned and confronted. it's hard to seperate the organization from the beliefs in many cases but that is what must be done to properly address the issue of $cientology and why they must be opposed.

    metta,

    ~v
     
  15. Postmaster

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    This is why I love discussion so much these answers can be discovered but on the other end if I didn’t have an opinion at all I’d be a complete cabbage. I have yet to demonstrate hostility (which I used to when I first started using the forum) but I think hostility (or inciting) would be good grounds for you to kick in your concerns about me. I would much appreciate in these kinds of discussions for you to try explaining another opinion which I would like to read and learn from.
     
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    I have no idea what you just said. But I can't help notice that you didn't answer my questions.
     
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    I dont know the answers to your questions. But I do hold opinions as we all do. And all im saying is.. before you dig into me I think it be better if it was because im being hostile or inciting hostility. If not I'd just apprecaite your opinion against mine so I can learn your point of view.
     
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    Pardon me.

    It sounded as if you had said that Hitler's belief in evolution (and it's misapplication in the realm of social engineering) had invalidated Darwin's theory of evolution.

    I must have been mistaken.
     
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    Thats ok I can see why you might assume that :) I don't invalidate Darwins theory of evolution in the slightest. I will clearly state of how fond Iam with Darwins theory of evolution and how its use in biology makes Urika sense.

    There is no contradiction with what I said either.

    I said hitler used eugenics and darwinism to support Nazi ideology.

    And I say I agree with Darwins theory of evolution

    And I also say I dont agree with Nazi ideology.

    Isnt this why this forum is so great...
     
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    Nazi's are gross!

    Yucko!

    Group hug. [​IMG]

    Watch those hands.
     

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