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It was in response to your question:Seattlegirl: You point to the Dhammapada echoing my words in an apparent attempt to discredit them, please explain how this is possible. Also, if you actually understood what you have quoted, you would be enlightened, and thus would have thrown the boat away, why do you still carry it?
Perhaps I can clarify its meaning if you are only quoting it to assert your knowledge?
The Dhammapada quote refers to manas (thoughts,) whereas the Luminous sutta refers to citta.Yet, still, in Buddhist circles, the most highlighted tool is the knowing of the essential emptiness of all things. Nothing has any individual reality, all is the result of something else. It is all the result of the mind processing stimulus, but what is the nature of the Mind?
It was in response to your question:
The Dhammapada quote refers to manas (thoughts,) whereas the Luminous sutta refers to citta.
Well, it would depend upon which citta you mean, no? If you mean luminous citta, that would include quiet consciousness and discernment.You have given another word for it, this time Confucius. Te is the Taoist, Bodhi is used in Hinduism and Buddhism, I have asked you to say your understanding of it. You have disputed my words on no-mind, so it is necessary you clarify.
(Yes, I'm aware Chan uses mu also, but Confucius was the first to use it in a spiritual sense. It actually just means no, although I choose to believe you aren't telling me you won't define it)
Well, it would depend upon which citta you mean, no? If you mean luminous citta, that would include quiet consciousness and discernment.
No, I'm not dividing citta, as citta is a holistic concept. 'Which citta?' is like saying 'which state of mind?'You are actually dividing citta?
You are dividing that in which division appears, which is only manas.
Also, it has nothing to do with a quiet consciousness, since going deep enough into it you find om.
Further, discernment is again manas, since rightly manas references all objects in consciousness - not just thoughts but even objects appearing in the world.
You are aware of thoughts, who is this you?
Speak to us of the faculty called BUDDHI ... which is PURE REASON, beyond transcendent of Manas altogether.