"God's" will, my will, free will ?

A Cup Of Tea

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In some countries that have established State churches, these State Churches receive government subsidies!
So much for separation of Church and State :p
I only googled quickly but found this.
"Every year religious groups here receive more than 5 million dollars in subsidies from the tax-payers, based on the number of members."
Figures for Church Subsidies Inaccurate - Radio Sweden | Sveriges Radio

EDIT: Oh, here we go, these are the guys who pay out.
http://www.sst.a.se/inenglish.4.7f968fc211eeec933de800011945.html
 

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Yes the Swedes subsidize churches. They, however, do not have an established state church. Rather they subsidize churches like they subsidize everything (very cultural phenomena of shared responsibility). The really far-out there (in Sweden) see it as hush money so the inter-religious rivalry passseth them by.

Pax et amore omnia vincunt!
 

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There is an interesting comparison to Japan. In Japan, people from the religion called Nichiren formed their own political party. But they are careful to keep the leadership of the religion and political party separate.
 

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ACT,

There is an interesting comparison to Japan. In Japan, people from the religion called Nichiren formed their own political party. But they are careful to keep the leadership of the religion and political party separate.

I didn't find much apart from them being Buddhist, and the founder was surprisingly accepting of woman. Good stuff.
 

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ACT,

There is an interesting comparison to Japan. In Japan, people from the religion called Nichiren formed their own political party. But they are careful to keep the leadership of the religion and political party separate.

I didn't know if you knew this, but Sweden has a Christian political party as well
Christian Democrats (Sweden) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Wikipedia said:
It should be noted the political and social origins of the Swedish Christian Democracy clearly differ from those of the European continental Christian Democratic parties (as in Italy or Germany). In those countries, Christian Democracy represented the mainstream of the social-conservative political forces and was closely tied to majoritarian religious practice. In Sweden, however, Christian Democracy surged as minority grouping amongst the center-right forces and was tied to religious minority tendencies in society (particularly among voters associated with the Free Churches).
It is, as expected, conservative in some sensitive questions. But they mostly focus on things that I, as a liberal, also find very important.

Do you believe that someone can impose their will on others?
donnann, I'm not sure how I should answer that in the context that you quoted me in. I don't believe in higher powers or spiritual forces, so I don't believe people can be controlled in a spiritual sense. But through manipulative communication I think we can impose our will on others. I'm sure there could be many ways that I have never thought about.
 

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God is doing everything providing through a continuous knowing area according to what is interesting to God now. Life relative to their activity places is either participating with interests that are at unity with what appreciates with full knowing and an ability to communicate about them or receiving a reverse conduction of interest and partial understand about what they are doing with a focus on other human beings as a source of concern or as the way they have to understand and come to experience something that is felt as desire integrating with what is demand. There are other words that can be used to say what is said here and life using words that God causes to be had within an experience that is peace is doing what they can continue to do saying something God is doing at providing understanding ability.

There is no bad in GOD. What I am asking is assocations with groups of others , can that impose on your individual will in your opinion?
 

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Individual will is to have an attention span to yourself or to another human being(s). Activities always include others (seen or unseen) and you will have a self or other human attention span (how you understand something to you) when you are at an activity that is not experienced as interesting to you. The placement of a consciousness or an attention span that is drawing in from the self or from others results in "misdirection" or various degrees of discomfort and confusion that say "do something different" to move out of this activity into one where there is life that, "I know you to exist at perfect unity with understanding Me as, forever".

In otherwords your only as good as the company you keep.
 

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If good to you feels like love, then yes this means that God is providing your existence as "doing what you can continue to do" which is another way to say you are understanding and experiencing (knowing, feeling and doing) at unity with the life that God has moved to exist eternally. The word good has been used in a variety of ways across activity places, however, it is a clear word when used by life interested with what God provides to everyone and everything.

I need to start going back to church.
 

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If it is experienced as interesting to you for now and if you are not experiencing what some call internal dialogue while there ("telling yourself something or someone else something behind your forehead"). You are interested with understanding perpetually and this is an area of life that is not well understood. Knowledge and experiences does not come from human beings, however, it can appear that way at some activity places.

I have no problem understanding god its just sometimes I dont understand how some people can be so mean.
 

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You can understand those existences as God is disguise telling you to move over to another interest. They are purposeful toward causing you to understand completely an interest that is the opposite of what they are doing and saying. Their presentation in your life is the same as the experience some have with nervous system integrations (self talk). They are telling you something that you can either go over, when in a quiet place, and understand from God to whole truth or you can go over to an activity that you experience as something you love to do or can continue to do. Relative to which one is able to be done within your circumstance, you will be understanding an orientation (a non auditory communication placed to an area of the circulatory system that provides either emotion or knowing according to what is needed). This restores your human organism and provides to you what is necessary to be had. God does not correct through communication to the circulatory system and all correction from God is caused through the saying something life of the environment (seen and unseen).

You can use this information and the areas that are interesting to you, you can go around in your existence area and understand to completion from images and words that God will place when you are doing what you are interested in knowing God is doing everything.

Peace is required for understanding clear. Love is required for unity and peace and love allows for the causation of appreciation to God or the experience of a new interest. Peace is had when full understanding is provided absent integrations with what seemingly is human beings telling you something.

Well I also see the good I just dont understand meanness.
 

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Scripture says what the will of God is, but not just anyone can understand scripture. The Lord also says who understands.Here are a few passages.Put them together and see what you can find.

The son of man says;"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone who does His to reveal him.
Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you peace.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find peace for yourselves.
For my yoke is peaceful, and my burden is light".

The Father loves the Son and whatever he does he shows him.

"Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God".

"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His plans to His servants the prophets."

" I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.

"Whoever chooses to do his will shall know about this teaching namely, whether it comes from God or whether I‘m speaking on my own."

"The reason I was born and the reason I came into the world is to testify to the truth. Anyone committed to the truth hears my voice."

"I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other cities also; for I was sent for this purpose."
 

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Scripture says what the will of God is, but not just anyone can understand scripture. The Lord also says who understands.Here are a few passages.Put them together and see what you can find.

The son of man says;"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone who does His to reveal him.
Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you peace.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am meek and humble of heart; and you will find peace for yourselves.
For my yoke is peaceful, and my burden is light".

The Father loves the Son and whatever he does he shows him.

"Whoever belongs to God hears the words of God".

"The Lord God does nothing without revealing His plans to His servants the prophets."

" I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me.

"Whoever chooses to do his will shall know about this teaching namely, whether it comes from God or whether I‘m speaking on my own."

"The reason I was born and the reason I came into the world is to testify to the truth. Anyone committed to the truth hears my voice."

"I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other cities also; for I was sent for this purpose."
Right, and what of it? Scripture is hardly fact.

I came down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of the one who sent me
Doing the Will of another

"No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone who does His to reveal him.
Whatever happened to the Mother archetype? Much too Pagan/Goddess-like?

You've proven my point even more . . . this is NOT Freedom of Will.
 

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Etu, buddy, please go a little lighter on the newcomers. At least start with a "Welcome to Interfaith" before your Luciferian critique :)
 
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