The Absolute Unity of God

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  1. Bhaktajan II

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    The Supreme Lord said: My dear Cousin Arjuna,
    because you are never envious of Me,
    I shall impart to you this most secret wisdom,
    knowing which you shall be relieved of the
    miseries of material existence.

    In the Bhagavata-purana it is said that religious people generally do not know that the highest perfection of religion is the attainment of the stage of devotional service. Generally spiritually transcendent knowledge is required for the understanding of the path of self-realization.

    It is said here that this devotional service is eternally existing. It is not as the Maya-vadi [aka atheist mystics] philosophers claim. They sometimes take to so-called devotional service, and as long as they are not liberated they continue their devotional service, but at the end, when they become liberated, they "become one with God." Such temporary time-serving devotional service is not accepted as pure devotional service. Actual devotional service continues even after liberation. When the devotee goes to the spiritual planet in the kingdom of God, he is also engaged there in serving the Supreme Lord. He does not try to become one with the Supreme Lord.

    As it will be seen, actual devotional service begins after liberation.After being liberated, or being situated in the Brahman position, one's devotional service begins. By executing devotional service, one can understand the Supreme Lord. No one can understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead by executing works, acquiring esoteric knowledge, or ascetic austeritiesor any other yoga path independantly. Without coming to the stage of devotional service, one cannot understand what is the Personality of Godhead.

    In the Bhagavata-purana it is also confirmed that when one becomes purified by executing the process of devotional service, especially by hearing from realized souls, then he can understand the science of God.

    When one's heart is cleared of all nonsense, then one can understand what God is. Thus the process of devotional service is the king of all education and the king of all confidential knowledge. It is the purest form of religion, and it can be executed joyfully without difficulty. Therefore one should adopt it.
     
  2. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    They must not have been very liberated in their atheism if they feel compelled to become one with God...

    Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but my devotion is meaningful on its own terms, not a means to an end.
     
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    Devotion to what? To whom? Devotion to what desired end?
     
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    "They" include the advaitan school of Hindu
    philosophy.

    "They" include the Buddhist school of
    philosophy.

    "They" include the any
    philosophy that's says the goal of the life is to be lord of all you survey.

    If there is no God, that leaves open the position of being the king of the heap.

    Many a dictator, ie Caligula proclaimed themselves God.

    We are judged by our actions rather than by our proclamations ---so any body that murders an other is "playing God" with other people's lives.
     
  5. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    I can see how this philosophy can only ever work for one being at a time.

    Doesn't seem like a viable philosophy.

    "We're none of us free until we are all free" is not that far from the Bodhisattva vow. It invites Direct Action, too.
     
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    It's a dog eat dog world = The definition of dog eat dog is something or some situation in which there is fierce, ruthless competition. An example of dog eat dog is a competitive sales environment where everyone is trying to beat out their co-workers to make the most sales, even if they have to lie and cheat to do it.
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Yes, that sucks. You lost me as to how the unity of god compares and contrasts to the sales department.
     
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    It's difficult to keep up with you.

    a] I cut/pasted the definition by googling "Dog eat dog meaning"
    https://www.yourdictionary.com/dog-eat-dog

    Here's another:
    The Rat Race = a way of life in which people are caught up in a fiercely competitive struggle for wealth or power.
    "they quit the rat race in order to live a simple life"
    • an exhausting, usually competitive routine.
    These are absolute truths of life.

    The meaning of Rat Race & Dog eat dog world are absolute facts of life.

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    b] In post 21: "By executing devotional service, one can understand the Supreme Lord."
    ---this alludes to the absolute-ness of mindful performance of actions as devotional.
    So many folks can "serve the Lord" in ways that are indirect and distant from
    God's presence but are dovetailing with God by cultivating the requisite
    etiquette needed to re-unite with God face to face.

    By extension, In earlier posts I was described as spamming this thread when
    I attempted to plant the seed of another absolute state of Human Activity
    that is ubiquitous Killing and eating cadavers ---and then the participants
    declare themselves righteous and fortunate.

    I believe God is Absolute ---thus, He has His own name, fame, form,
    personality, paraphernalia, entourage and pastimes ---and to deny
    God His transcendental status as Godhead ... while celebrating one's own
    mundane and transient associations over an animal cadaver seems the height of hubris.

    We can see a text book example of what I am writing by surveying the lives of society during the 20th century.
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Thanks for spelling it out for me.

    I sometimes have difficulties distinguishing between what you write and what you cut-n-pasted.
     
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    Pastimes? Does G-d do "dating" or go bowling for instance? ;)
     
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    When Bhagavan last appeared on our planet earth 5200 years ago in the house hold
    of the world emperor of the ancient world capital named Hastinapura,
    He had 16,000 wives and had 10 sons with each wife...and each night
    he'd go to a separate home with one wife ---SIMULTANEOUSLY!

    The Lord would go SIMULTANEOUSLY to 16000 places and be with each wife SIMULTANEOUSLY and each of his 160.000 sons.

    It is all recorded in the Mahabharata etal.


    May I ask, did you know that the name Isa was Jesus Christ's name when he was alive?
     
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    Indeed I do..
    I was raised as a Christian in the UK, and came in contact with Muslims in my 20's and born again :)
    The Qur'an confirms the truth of the Bible.

    I am now in my 60's
     
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    The Lord, the Supreme personality of Godhead's personage
    AND ALL THINGS connected to him are Absolute.

    "Hollowed be Thy Name" is a maxim.

    To say the name is to call the absolute ---yet the "rasa" may not be advanced.

    In moments of loss the Lord's name is absolute ---it's a sort of onomatopoeia
    kind of thing going on irregardless of the idiom.
     
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    It's hallowed be thy name, which is part of the Lord's prayer.
    The Lord is none but God, the Most High.
    It was taught by Jesus, peace be with him, who confirmed the unity of the Lord G-d.

    Jesus was from Jewish origin and did not dispute the shema.
    i.e. "Hear, O Israel: the LORD our God is one LORD,"

    The "son of G-d" concept is understood differently in Judaism and Christianity.
    Jews do not believe in a trinity or that Jesus is God etc.

    This is the truth about the faith of Jesus
     
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    The Lord's name is an absolute.
    Irregardless of the language.
     
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    IMHO this is the sole thing to devote one's religious time too.

    The Maestro summarized everything in this "Mantra".

    I think the Lord's Prayer has many mysteries in it.
     
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    An error occurred!
     
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    Seems quite clear to me..

    Our Father, whom art in heaven, (notice our Father, as in creator of mankind and Jesus himself)
    Hallowed be thy name, (All praise is due for Him)
    Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. (May he establish his Kingdom on Earth during our lives)
    Give us this day our daily bread, (Acknowledged that our provision comes from Him)
    and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us, (We ask for forgiveness of our sins, as we forgive others)
    and lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. (we seek refuge from the evil of ourselves and others)

    Allelujah :)
     
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  19. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Just to pick one verse: Hallowing, Sanctification, Kaddish - that is a huge topic.

    An artistic rendering of some of the complexities:



    Leonard Cohen's song has more than passing resemblance to the Jewish prayer Jesus is alluding to in the "Our Father".
     
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    It seems to me that Leonard Cohen's "prayer" is true and real. The context of the Lord's prayer would appear to be Jesus asking for a spontaneous cry from the heart, of what is here, now. Instead there is often dumb repetition of merely what He said there, then.
     

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