the juvenile Mongolian wolf who created civilization

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  1. salishan

    salishan freesoul

    Oct 15, 2011
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    the juvenile Mongolian wolf who created civilization

    in the beginning , is

    survival of the fittest
    (the first cause & prime mover of organic life)

    it is the one law , the one design
    which preserves & replicates genetic-form thru time
    (genotype winners over genotype losers , "eternal" over "temporal")

    is this Gyd ?


    i'd like to tell u a story
    story of
    the juvenile Mongolian wolf who created civilization

    (no , not a Russian folktale
    this is hard science , with a
    dash of speculation thrown in)

    somewhere around the Mongolian highlands of the Siberian steppe
    15,000 years ago
    a pack of wolves descend from the hills to scavenge a trash-heap
    trash-dump downwind of a seasonal hunter-gatherer encampment

    the trash-dump is full of bison remains & deer remains from a good hunt
    bloody remains
    & the hunters throw rocks (spears , when necessary) to scare off the wolves
    who retreat to the far-off hilltop to wait for nightfall (to re-approach again)

    but a couple of young (not fully-mature) wolves are
    more courageous (or more foolhardy) , & retreat only
    a short distance from the trash-dump , & they
    sit & watch the hunters at their chores (at drying & curing the meat)

    these young wolves seem almost "curious" (almost intelligent)
    & when the hunters toss stones at them , the wolves
    back off temporarily , then return (to watch)

    mature wolves , with their long-snouts
    turn aggressive when suddenly approached , but when
    a group of hunters approach them with spears forward-pointed
    these young wolves with short-snouts are watchful but passive
    they appear to have restrained their impulse toward aggressiveness

    the hunters are superstitious about such odd behavior
    & these wolves seem harmless , so the hunters return to their tasks
    & let the young wolves stay , after awhile tossing'em food-scraps

    when these hunters finish their work & decamp , the wolf-pack moves on
    but these juvenile wolves follow the hunters , instead of their own pack
    & as the young wolves age , their snouts do not grow long &
    they remain relatively curious & non-aggressive

    when these wolves produce a brood of pups
    the hunter-gatherer men & women & children help
    feed & care-for the pups which , magically
    appear to (also) be curious & nonaggressive
    (the people shoeing-away or killing the uncharmed pups who are not)

    the people continue this practice with each new generation's brood
    & begin to selectively breed these creatures for useful traits , &
    (over generations) the animals' snouts get increasingly shorter
    & the creatures prove "intelligent" (prove their worth)
    by aiding in the hunt & by protecting the encampment


    4 millennia before "figs" are domesticated in the Fertile Crescent
    the "dog" is domesticated on the steppes of Asia
    but it is almost as if the "dog" domesticates the "human"

    almost as if these juvenile-wolves
    come to the hunter-gatherers & say
    transform me into a "dog"
    into a semi-human , into
    u'r partner in the survival-game

    to animistic hunter-gatherers , who see the natural world
    in magical terms , such a request would make perfect sense

    (which probably is how
    the "fig" is similarly domesticated in the Fertile Crescent
    domesticate me ! , the fig says to the gatherer
    who selects those "intelligent" figs with "useful" properties
    like large-size & ones which preserve-well
    to plant these special-figs back into the soil & carefully cultivate them
    not eating them
    while eating or discarding only those lesser figs which
    fail to exhibit so-well a "magical" user-friendly "spirit")

    so the dog (& the fig) become good human partners
    in the survival-game
    (but being artificial creations of human ingenuity , neither dog nor fig
    would have much chance of surviving well "out in nature" alone
    separated from humans)

    partner with humans or die-out as a species

    "survival of the fittest" is a natural law
    (first cause , & prime mover of organic DNA-driven existence)
    but when humans domesticate the juvenile-wolf (& the fig)
    they arrogantly set-aside this law , set aside one of nature's principal axioms
    (humans are clearly interfering with the survival-game , &
    are flagrantly beginning to redirect nature's "natural course")

    but the spirit of the juvenile-wolf (the spirit of the fig)
    (implicitly) tells the human to do just this , to
    create a brand-new species of life

    (a divine , a counterintuitive compulsion insists that
    this is something the human must do)
    & out of this creative-arrogance
    civilization is born


    the first ancient farmers & herders
    learn from the dog (& learn from the fig)

    they take their cue from the juvenile
    (from the "divine" , from the magical/"unnatural") behavior
    of their own domesticated creatures
    & (now as city-dwellers , not hunter-gatherers) they learn
    - to be self-restrained (less "aggressive" , less violent) &
    - to be curious (less "skittish" , less fearful)​

    & they can relax , a little
    not be so concerned about "immediate survival"
    (their "fight/flee instinct" now largely turned-off , living no longer "in the wild")

    these agriculturalists become "juvenile" , like the dog
    become self-restrained & curious creatures (civilized creatures)
    locating within themselves , counterintuitive (non-innate) drives
    "anti-instincts" , which (on the surface) work "against survival"
    but which make them grow as creatures , grow beyond their natural impulses

    qualities of heart & mind ("divine" qualities) which make them ready
    to build civilization


    i'm not a "dog person" , so it is
    only by accident that (a couple years ago) i am watching
    a PBS NOVA special called Dogs Decoded

    at one point , it talks about a decades-long
    Russian experiment , breeding foxes

    a small percentile of foxes will set aside their
    fight/flee survival-instinct , & grow-up to be markedly
    - less aggressive toward humans (exhibit a much higher provocation-threshold)
    - less skittish of humans (exhibit a shorter flight-distance when confronted)​
    to overall , appear more "intelligent"
    - (appear to be more "self-restrained" , less violent)
    - (appear to be more "curious" , less fearful)​
    & those foxes which behave this way , yes
    grow a shorter snout

    another (more recent) PBS (this time NATURE) special
    Dogs that Changed the World
    not only locates the dog's genetic-origin in an east-Asian wolf
    but also points to a strange genetic phenomenon
    behind the shortened snout , & to the evolutionary significance of this

    in the womb (or egg or seed) , each fetal-creature retraces the path of evolution
    (as it gestates) , switching "on" one gene-trait & "not switching on" another
    proceeding on a clockwork-timetable , until
    the wolf (or fig or human) arrives at that point in the process
    where all its current attributes & traits are in place
    & the creature is "born"

    but actually , not "all" its attributes & traits are "in place"
    since the clockwork-timetable does not simply stop when the creature is born

    as the creature ages after birth , this same genetic-timetable
    ticks on & this internal biological clock triggers new developments
    - triggers hormones (now) which (for instance) nudge the creature to stand & walk
    - triggers different hormones (later) causing the development of sexual characteristics , (et cetera)​

    the wolf , as it matures from youth into adulthood
    has one particular biological-trigger (a hormone release) which
    transforms the wolf into its "mature" state, becoming
    a more aggressive & a more skittish creature
    in order (as an adult) to have a better chance to survive nature's harsh demands

    but a rare percentage of wolves have an autistic-like genetic-lapse
    so that when the biological-moment arrives , this timetable trigger does not switch "on"
    & thus those "mature" (fight/flee) wolf-traits do not "properly" develop
    (which likely dooms such a wolf to a brief & ugly life in the wild)

    this wolf stays "juvenile" in features & behavior-patterns
    & passes on this trait to a higher percentage of its brood
    (if it lives long-enough to successfully procreate)

    this turning of a DNA on-switch to the off-position , (geneticists now realize)
    is a trick of evolution , which allows one species to branch & rapidly evolve
    (seemingly overnight , in just a few generations)
    into a brand-new species

    evolution is not "gradual" (like Darwin assumed) but contains
    - (long) periods of relative species-stability &
    - (brief) periods of rapid change , of branching into new species​

    (& this too , maybe explains why
    domestication of certain plants & animals
    occurs so very very quickly , in the ancient world)

    this "juvenile" off-switch is
    one of the hidden gambits of evolution
    (this "anti-design" gambit , it is this &
    not "survival" , which is Gyd's handiwork)

    intelligent life arises
    against "the existing pattern"
    countermanding all existing rules

    this is how reality works
    Gyd breaks natural laws

  2. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

    Sep 4, 2003
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    i'm not so sure what about this is supposed to be "hard science"; the anecdotes are inevitably conjectural, as all we have is the examination of remains. however, the anti-G!D squad would presumably argue that it is a "natural law" that "natural laws" are designed to be broken through variation....


  3. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

    Jul 28, 2011
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    salishan, I can put another thread on this marvelous tapestry of yours. One can postulate G!d as manifesting creative and constructive change (versus destructive change).

    Given this it was G!d who gave rise to both the wolf-human and fig-human dyads. I would add barley-human (originally gathered and then grown for beer, not bread--another insight of the kind of scientific exploration you mapped).

    If our lives (as I believe) are a chain of actualities or events or experiences, and if there are moments of uniqueness (wolf-human or the first cave painting or the first word or the first alphabet) it is the power of creativity (G!d) that lays behind them.

    This creativity could be present in all experiences (throughout history here on earth and on Omnicom Alpha the first planet of a star system which has receded beyond our light limit). G!d would then be everywhere and everywhen as part of the process that is reality.

    As for "scientific rigor". I believe what most people think is science is really technology and engineering--dealing with only experimentation and application of mathematical or scientific data. Real science (what Kuhn called revolutionary science and Feyerabend renormalized science) is not only physical fact driven, but driven by an individual scientist's creative reflexion (deep logical thought). We get breakthroughs in science (like quanta or spacetime) not by assessing physical reality with existing theory, but by abandoning theory and searching for new ways of seeing.

    In this sense, the stories of the wolf-human, fig-human and barley-human sit right up there with the story of a 13 year old Einstein riding a beam of light or a middle-aged Planck imagining a dis-continuous ocean of action (hence Planck's constant).:rolleyes:
  4. salishan

    salishan freesoul

    Oct 15, 2011
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    i do not believe in miracles
    i do not believe in intention
    i do not believe in revelation


    Gyd loves nature , but will have nothing to do with it
    except via intervention , although
    Gyd has no truck with miracles either , or any big displays
    nature has its designs , & it is nature which is flamboyant
    Gyd is subtle , targeting change in one creature's life at a time
    Gyd bends the inevitable , Gyd tinkers

    nature creates , with a plan in mind
    Gyd does not , Gyd has no prior intentions
    Gyd swerves nature , changes its natural course
    Gyd bends the inevitable , Gyd points-out a direction

    in Gyd , nothing is hardwired
    there is no revelation , no innate ideals
    Gyd works by more mysterious means , without preordained designs
    Gyd utilizes some bit-of-minutia , perfectly-placed to equivocate nature's plans
    & enlists this minutia as a tipping-point , for some unprecedented move
    Gyd bends the inevitable , Gyd delivers intelligent results


    Gyd tinkers
    Gyd points-out a direction
    Gyd delivers intelligent results

    Gyd bends the inevitable

  5. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Admin

    Jul 15, 2003
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    All energy is an expression of God - all matter, living an inanimate, is an expression of God.

    God is already in Nature, but Nature itself is but a tiny manifestation of God.

    All life is effectively a miracle. But we are forgetful of this miracle of being that we denigrate it as mundane. Yet we look for it on other planets, and if we find it, will declare it miraculous.


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