7 Deadly Sins and Murder

So the Law should be the only restraint people should have? Treat the symptoms, but not the disease?
What disease? :rolleyes: In the case of Pepe Le Pew, this is a case of a Valentino syndrome where no girl skunk can resist the hunk of a skunk, but when Pepe mistakes a black & white striped pussy cat :rolleyes: for another skunklett to be conquered, and the puss puss can't stand the aroma of Le Pew . . . Pepe is intrigued and decides "she must be playing hard to get".

This may fall more into the Pride & Ego Sin thingy than Lust?
 
I don't see anything wrong with any of these supposed Sins; greed, pride, envy, anger, gluttony, lust, and sloth
I don see something wrong with the impedance of another's Will and desires though.
If you understood the teaching, you would see that the seven are a destabilisation of the faculties and thus pave the way for sin to occur. Man, not subject to the appetites of the sensible faculty, or the passions of the mental faculty, would not sin.

Impeding certain 'vices' such as Lust is IMO detrimental, for it is a natural chemically induced emotion necessary for the propagation of species.
So we should rut whenever and with whoever we will ... it's taken civilisation God knows how many millennia to get women to this point, and you's take us right back to square one in one move?

OK, 'eros' then, which has a far more nuanced distinction.

Matter of fact Lust is an aspect of Love . . . should we add Love as the 8th Deadly Sin?
No it's not ... your distorted notion of what love is however, begs another question.

Pride is what drives all our great achievements and Art, as a society we need this, it is healthy.
You're obviously not an artist then. Try speaking ... no, try listening to a real artist ... it's not a question of pride, it's a question of that is what they are invariably driven to do.

Teaching against pride encourages people to be submissive to religious authorities in order to submit to God, thus enhancing institutional church power.
You see, blinded by prejudice again. take to a secular humanist, you'd be surprised.

God bless,

Thomas
 
What disease? :rolleyes: In the case of Pepe Le Pew, this is a case of a Valentino syndrome where no girl skunk can resist the hunk of a skunk, but when Pepe mistakes a black & white striped pussy cat :rolleyes: for another skunklett to be conquered, and the puss puss can't stand the aroma of Le Pew . . . Pepe is intrigued and decides "she must be playing hard to get".

This may fall more into the Pride & Ego Sin thingy than Lust?

Delusion, imo.

From the Kalama Sutta

"What do you think, Kalamas? When greed (or hate or delusion) arises in a person, does it arise for welfare or for harm?"
"For harm, lord."
"And this greedy person, overcome by greed(or hate or delusion,) his mind possessed by greed (or hate or delusion,) kills living beings, takes what is not given, goes after another person's wife, tells lies, and induces others to do likewise, all of which is for long-term harm & suffering."​
 
If you understood the teaching, you would see that the seven are a destabilisation of the faculties and thus pave the way for sin to occur. Man, not subject to the appetites of the sensible faculty, or the passions of the mental faculty, would not sin.
One man's Sin is another man's pleasure, I am not interested in how Christianity defines Sin, because they are some of the worst sinners on this planet by their own definition

So we should rut whenever and with whoever we will ... it's taken civilisation God knows how many millennia to get women to this point, and you's take us right back to square one in one move?
Got news for you, Women were honored and respected, the Goddess ruled, it wasn't until the Abrahamic faiths did She become the scapegoat for all Mankind.

No it's not ... your distorted notion of what love is however, begs another question.
My distorted view is the same that science and psychology have, perhaps it is YOUR delusion and religious indoctrination which is at fault here? See how that works both ways? ;)

You're obviously not an artist then. Try speaking ... no, try listening to a real artist ... it's not a question of pride, it's a question of that is what they are invariably driven to do.
Let's see some of your ART there Oh Meek & Timid One?

Without pride man is in reality of little value. It is pride that stimulates us to all our great undertakings. Without pride, and the secret persuasion of extraordinary talents, what man would take up the pen with a view to produce an important work, whether of imagination and poetry, or of profound science, or of acute and subtle reasoning and intellectual anatomy? It is pride in this sense that makes the great general and the consummate legislator, that animates us to tasks the most laborious, and causes us to shrink from no difficulty, and to be confounded and overwhelmed with no obstacle that can be interposed in our path.

Nothing can be more striking than the contrast between man and the inferior animals. The latter live only for the day, and see for the most part only what is immediately before them. But man lives in the past and the future. He reasons upon and improves by the past; he records the acts of a long series of generations: and he looks into future time, lays down plans which he shall be months and years in bringing to maturity, and contrives machines and delineates systems of education and government, which may gradually add to the accommodations of all, and raise the species generally into a nobler and more honourable character than our ancestors were capable of sustaining.

Man looks through nature, and is able to reduce its parts into a great whole. He classes the beings which are found in it, both animate and inanimate, delineates and describes them, investigates their properties, and records their capacities, their good and evil qualities, their dangers and their uses.

Nor does he only see all that is; but he also images all that is not. He takes to pieces the substances that are, and combines their parts into new arrangements. He peoples all the elements from the world of his imagination. It is here that he is most extraordinary and wonderful. The record of what actually is, and has happened in the series of human events, is perhaps the smallest part of human history. If we would know man in all his subtleties, we must deviate into the world of miracles and sorcery. To know the things that are not, and cannot be, but have been imagined and believed, is the most curious chapter in the annals of man. To observe the actual results of these imaginary phenomena, and the crimes and cruelties they have caused us to commit, is one of the most instructive studies in which we can possibly be engaged. It is here that man is most astonishing, and that we contemplate with most admiration the discursive and unbounded nature of his faculties.

But, if a recollection of the examples of the credulity of the human mind may in one view supply nourishment to our pride, it still more obviously tends to teach us sobriety and humiliation. Man in his genuine and direct sphere is the disciple of reason; it is by this faculty that he draws inferences, exerts his prudence, and displays the ingenuity of machinery, and the subtlety of system both in natural and moral philosophy. Yet what so irrational as man? Not contented with making use of the powers we possess, for the purpose of conducing to our accommodation and well being, we with a daring spirit inquire into the invisible causes of what we see, and people all nature with Gods “of every shape and size” and angels, with principalities and powers, with beneficent beings who “take charge concerning us lest at any time we dash our foot against a stone,” and with devils who are perpetually on the watch to perplex us and do us injury. And, having familiarised our minds with the conceptions of these beings, we immediately aspire to hold communion with them. We represent to ourselves God, as “walking in the garden with us in the cool of the day,” and teach ourselves “not to forget to entertain strangers, lest by so doing we should repel angels unawares.”

No sooner are we, even in a slight degree, acquainted with the laws of nature, than we frame to ourselves the idea, by the aid of some invisible ally, of suspending their operation, of calling out meteors in the sky, of commanding storms and tempests, of arresting the motion of the heavenly bodies, of producing miraculous cures upon the bodies of our fellow−men, or afflicting them with disease and death, of calling up the deceased from the silence of the grave, and compelling them to disclose “the secrets of the world unknown.”

You see, blinded by prejudice again. take to a secular humanist, you'd be surprised.
Eyes are Wide Open unlike the closed mind of a Sheeple.

Diabolus Beatus,
Etu
 
Delusion, imo.

From the Kalama Sutta

"What do you think, Kalamas? When greed (or hate or delusion) arises in a person, does it arise for welfare or for harm?"
"For harm, lord."
"And this greedy person, overcome by greed(or hate or delusion,) his mind possessed by greed (or hate or delusion,) kills living beings, takes what is not given, goes after another person's wife, tells lies, and induces others to do likewise, all of which is for long-term harm & suffering."​
If Pepe didn't stink she'd be all over that! :cool:
 
...and why was that?
Ugly women? :rolleyes:
Actually, I don't know what Greece's problem was, for such an advanced society in terms of philosophy and discipline you would think they would have had equality among its people, and no slaves either!
 
From Etu Malku: “But, if a recollection of the examples of the credulity of the human mind may in one view supply nourishment to our pride, it still more obviously tends to teach us sobriety and humiliation. What does this mean? Gullibility nourishes pride? Teaches us shame? Man in his genuine and direct sphere is the disciple of reason; it is by this faculty that he draws inferences, exerts his prudence, and displays the ingenuity of machinery, and the subtlety of system both in natural and moral philosophy. It is by reason and natural and moral philosophy that some of us come to believe in control of the kind of threats I noted in my last post. One need not be the kind of Christian characterization you tend to favor to believe in a morality, an ethics, in right and wrong. Yet what so irrational as man? Not contented with making use of the powers we possess, for the purpose of conducing to our accommodation and well being, we with a daring spirit inquire into the invisible causes of what we see, and people all nature with Gods “of every shape and size” and angels, with principalities and powers, with beneficent beings who “take charge concerning us lest at any time we dash our foot against a stone,” and with devils who are perpetually on the watch to perplex us and do us injury. Ah, but pure scientistic secularism is also a peopling of nature with things. By it we create things like Multiverses or Gödelian universes or Cosmological Anthropomorphism or M-theory (none of which has an empirical basis) or Ricci Calculus or Einsteinian tensor equations or the Wave or Matrix Mechanics (all of which are well above the level of arithmetic, hence by Gödel’s Theorem cannot be ultimately known in a decidable sense). And we take these things to pour derision on what we call superstitions, be they cargo cults, sandpainting, prayer, or creativity. But are they really so much different from our own repeated behaviors (calling up time, turning to the weather channel, tweeting)? And, having familiarised our minds with the conceptions of these beings, we immediately aspire to hold communion with them. We represent to ourselves God, as “walking in the garden with us in the cool of the day,” and teach ourselves “not to forget to entertain strangers, lest by so doing we should repel angels unawares.” And we take these things (scientism) to make of ourselves a God when we can really control so very little, and that mostly our own behavior (unless torturing a dog or committing rape is a morally acceptable form of control).

No sooner are we, even in a slight degree, acquainted with the laws of nature, than we frame to ourselves the idea, by the aid of some invisible ally, of suspending their operation, of calling out meteors in the sky, of commanding storms and tempests, of arresting the motion of the heavenly bodies, of producing miraculous cures upon the bodies of our fellow−men, or afflicting them with disease and death, of calling up the deceased from the silence of the grave, and compelling them to disclose “the secrets of the world unknown.” And we take these things (scientism and materialism) to define into existence an improvable thing like “laws of nature” or “the mind of God” or “finding out if God had a choice”.

See, the same faults occur in men and women be they primitives, moderns, or post-moderns… so Christians locked Jews in the Synagogues in the Rhineland and burnt them alive. Modern men (like Horace Greeley) had nations across the USA locked up in intolerable prisons and left to die (natives). Post-modern men like Pol Pot used plastic bags so as not to waste ammunition. ‘Tis the nature of the beast that morality and ethics and religion and spirituality should was against.
 
Ugly women? :rolleyes:
Actually, I don't know what Greece's problem was, for such an advanced society in terms of philosophy and discipline you would think they would have had equality among its people, and no slaves either!

Alright, what was the excuse of the culture who started female genital mutilation?
 
From Etu Malku: “But, if a recollection of the examples of the credulity of the human mind may in one view supply nourishment to our pride, it still more obviously tends to teach us sobriety and humiliation. What does this mean? Gullibility nourishes pride? Teaches us shame? Man in his genuine and direct sphere is the disciple of reason; it is by this faculty that he draws inferences, exerts his prudence, and displays the ingenuity of machinery, and the subtlety of system both in natural and moral philosophy. It is by reason and natural and moral philosophy that some of us come to believe in control of the kind of threats I noted in my last post. One need not be the kind of Christian characterization you tend to favor to believe in a morality, an ethics, in right and wrong. Yet what so irrational as man? Not contented with making use of the powers we possess, for the purpose of conducing to our accommodation and well being, we with a daring spirit inquire into the invisible causes of what we see, and people all nature with Gods “of every shape and size” and angels, with principalities and powers, with beneficent beings who “take charge concerning us lest at any time we dash our foot against a stone,” and with devils who are perpetually on the watch to perplex us and do us injury. Ah, but pure scientistic secularism is also a peopling of nature with things. By it we create things like Multiverses or Gödelian universes or Cosmological Anthropomorphism or M-theory (none of which has an empirical basis) or Ricci Calculus or Einsteinian tensor equations or the Wave or Matrix Mechanics (all of which are well above the level of arithmetic, hence by Gödel’s Theorem cannot be ultimately known in a decidable sense). And we take these things to pour derision on what we call superstitions, be they cargo cults, sandpainting, prayer, or creativity. But are they really so much different from our own repeated behaviors (calling up time, turning to the weather channel, tweeting)? And, having familiarised our minds with the conceptions of these beings, we immediately aspire to hold communion with them. We represent to ourselves God, as “walking in the garden with us in the cool of the day,” and teach ourselves “not to forget to entertain strangers, lest by so doing we should repel angels unawares.” And we take these things (scientism) to make of ourselves a God when we can really control so very little, and that mostly our own behavior (unless torturing a dog or committing rape is a morally acceptable form of control).

No sooner are we, even in a slight degree, acquainted with the laws of nature, than we frame to ourselves the idea, by the aid of some invisible ally, of suspending their operation, of calling out meteors in the sky, of commanding storms and tempests, of arresting the motion of the heavenly bodies, of producing miraculous cures upon the bodies of our fellow−men, or afflicting them with disease and death, of calling up the deceased from the silence of the grave, and compelling them to disclose “the secrets of the world unknown.” And we take these things (scientism and materialism) to define into existence an improvable thing like “laws of nature” or “the mind of God” or “finding out if God had a choice”.

See, the same faults occur in men and women be they primitives, moderns, or post-moderns… so Christians locked Jews in the Synagogues in the Rhineland and burnt them alive. Modern men (like Horace Greeley) had nations across the USA locked up in intolerable prisons and left to die (natives). Post-modern men like Pol Pot used plastic bags so as not to waste ammunition. ‘Tis the nature of the beast that morality and ethics and religion and spirituality should was against.
Ewww, that is actually an article from somewhere and I thought the reference was at the end . . . I don't agree with everything said in this article but the gist is there.
 
Poor choice of material, I think. At least "credulity of the human mind may in one view supply nourishment to our pride, it still more obviously tends to teach us sobriety and humiliation." As I said, this implies our gullibility nourishes pride and teaches us shame. I do not believe that is what you meant.
 
Poor choice of material, I think. At least "credulity of the human mind may in one view supply nourishment to our pride, it still more obviously tends to teach us sobriety and humiliation." As I said, this implies our gullibility nourishes pride and teaches us shame. I do not believe that is what you meant.
I have my moments! :eek:
 
I'm reading over this section:
But, if a recollection of the examples of the credulity of the human mind may in one view supply nourishment to our pride, it still more obviously tends to teach us sobriety and humiliation.

rephrased:
Looking at the disposition to believe something on little evidence can in one view supply nourishment to our pride, and to teach us sobriety and humiliation.
It may be false pride, yet ignorance can be bliss, though I have little use for sobriety or humiliation.

Radar, would expand on your disagreement with this sentence more? Maybe I am not quite comprehending.
 
"credulity" means "gullibility", "humiliation" means "shame".

Therefore what you wrote meant "gullibility nourishes pride and teaches shame". It makes no sense.
 
Now, I thought this was pretty clear:

"See, the same faults occur in men and women be they primitives, moderns, or post-moderns… so Christians locked Jews in the Synagogues in the Rhineland and burnt them alive. Modern men (like Horace Greeley or Phil Sheridan) had nations across the USA locked up in intolerable prisons and left to die (natives). Post-modern men (like Pol Pot or Stalin) used plastic bags so as not to waste ammunition. ‘Tis the nature of the beast that morality and ethics and religion and spirituality should was against."

Without these basic gifts of classic liberalism, we are left is Hobbesian tyranny: " state of men without civil society (which state may be called the state of nature) is none other than a war of all against all; and that in that war, all have a right to all things." “The natural state of men, before they entered into society, was a mere war, and that not simply, but a war of all men against all men." Wherein life is “solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”

It does not matter if one is as superstitious as the Crusaders, as rational as Greeley (an atheist), or as pridefully controlling as Stalin (another atheist). Life apart from civil society and the control of sociopathic behavior is probably not worthy of living.
 
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