Was Jesus a Solar Diety?

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Was Jesus worshiped as the sun? I found this quote in Joseph Shipley's The Origins of English Words which seems to imply that he was worshiped as a solar deity:

"In A.D. 386 Pope Siricius decreed that Jesus' birthday be celebrated on Dec. 25. Speculation sets it, historically, "between May and August"; but St. John Chrysostum (Gk. khrusostos "golden-mouthed") explained "The worshippers of Mithra [Persian deity of light] call December 25 the birthday of the sun; but is not our Lord the sun of righteousness?""
 
It's a poetic expression.

God bless,

Thomas

How do you KNOW that? There's plenty of literature out there that asserts the Jesus was derived from Mithras, the Roman military religion, which was practiced by even Roman emperors.
 
How do you KNOW that? There's plenty of literature out there that asserts the Jesus was derived from Mithras, the Roman military religion, which was practiced by even Roman emperors.
Because it's all recent stuff, none of it original, it's all opinion posing as proof, most of it's been discredited, and most of it written to sell books.

None of the original sources, nor any of the contemporary critics, make any such suggestion.

(In fact the evidence suggests that Mithraism began to copy Christian motifs when it became obvious that Christianity was far more popular and powerful than Mithraism — the only place where there are apparently Christian symbols in a Mithraic temple is Rome.)

God bless,

Thomas
 
We don't worship the sun god or the god of the sun, we believe in the Son G!d aka Son of G!d. (it is simply a typo in translation, oh and we believe in mirth too, not mirthra)

Sometimes don't you just have to wonder what the motivation is behind some of these threads?;)

Agenda, we got no stinking agenda....now on your knees and listen. I've got a question to tell you.
 
(it is simply a typo in translation...)
Wha?

What is it with people who assume that inspired texts are full of typos? :rolleyes: It's not a typo — read St. John Chrysostum.

God bless

Thomas
 
How do you KNOW that? There's plenty of literature out there that asserts the Jesus was derived from Mithras, the Roman military religion, which was practiced by even Roman emperors.

Lots of literature, no serious academic-scientific work. Nice brain-candy (like the von Daniken) but find me one disseration where it is taken seriously (go ahead, though per "Google Scholar", you do not stand much of a chance).
 
We don't worship the sun god or the god of the sun, we believe in the Son G!d aka Son of G!d. (it is simply a typo in translation, oh and we believe in mirth too, not mirthra)



Agenda, we got no stinking agenda....now on your knees and listen. I've got a question to tell you.

Wha?

What is it with people who assume that inspired texts are full of typos? :rolleyes: It's not a typo — read St. John Chrysostum.

God bless

Thomas
Thomas, I am afraid my skills are not sufficient to create a post more dripping in sarcasm than the above in a thread titled....Was Jesus a Solar Deity...
 
Wha?

What is it with people who assume that inspired texts are full of typos? :rolleyes: It's not a typo — read St. John Chrysostum.

God bless

Thomas

How do you know that the NT isn't full of typos? I recall reading about Thomas Edison's Mazda bulb and his inspiration behind the name was that Mazda was the father of Mithra the sun, and there's only one sun. Maybe Jesus was originally considered the only one begotten sun of God....
 
Oft times the prophets or zealots that come thru here posit questions they already think they know the answer to.

You asked motivation, in my stream of sarcasm (which I obviously am so bad at I should never try again)...I played motivational dominating prophet...demanding worship....

I's just a sinner (stop, stop with the sarcasm...)
 
Oft times the prophets or zealots that come thru here posit questions they already think they know the answer to.

You asked motivation, in my stream of sarcasm (which I obviously am so bad at I should never try again)...I played motivational dominating prophet...demanding worship....

I's just a sinner (stop, stop with the sarcasm...)

Um... I've been pretty upfront about my position on this forum. I believe that Zoroastrianism is an authentic Aryan religion, and the first monotheistic religion that thrived (Atenism was shortlived, forgotten, and influenced no one) and that Christianity and Islam are copycat religions (in legal terms even Judaic monotheism shares similar enough traits in expression to make it copycat too). But there's really no motivation behind my post here. I just thought it was interesting that someone early on equated Jesus with the sun. I know that there's a lot of misinformation about Mithraism, but I don't think I'd be drawing from that misinformation if I were to say that Mithras was equated with the sun.
 
Maybe Jesus was originally considered the only one begotten sun of God....
As perRadarmark — if there were any evidence to suggest that, then maybe, but as there's none, it's unlikely.

God bless

Thomas
 
Thomas thinks he can sell sand to an Arab, snow to an Eskimo ... and worst of all, he is so full of himself that he actually believes he's fooling us. In this, he has himself fooled ... and that, in my book, makes for some of the worst foolishness [makes it possible] that I think I've ever seen. Sadly, it's bandied about "all in the name of God" ... yet I should HOPE every single one of us is wise enough, an astute enough Observer, to KNOW better. :-s

Of course the Christos, ANNOINTED, has everything to do with Solar Initiations, the HIGHEST of them all as are open to Humanity upon our Planet. Lie with a woman [and here I do not refer to the dishonesty, the shameful exclusionary practices and the belittlement and scapegoating of her kind which the Roman Catholic Church has always considered perfectly reasonable in her warped, twisted power plays] ... lie with a woman and see, 9 months later (MARCH being the First month, the NEW Birth of SPRING, as also the date of the conception of Solar Deities), in the DECE or Tenth-Month, what happens.

She gives BIRTH. Damn sure not as a Virgin, although Virgo ~ as all the Signs into which the True SOLAR Deity is continually and continuously born ... across the AGES ~ certainly figures in the process.

Nevertheless, the Son of God comes into birth, always, through a pure vessel ... and this is the most obvious and literal meaning behind the myth.

Naturally it is the Winter Solstice, fixed on the 21st, where we should be looking. Certainly it is not in the doctored books of the `doctors,' for I tell you, most of them knew quite as well (or better) than old Thomas here just whose eyes they were tryin' to pull that wool over, and they were equally desperate [for their agendas were quite as well or better vested in the WILL-TO-DOMINATE (others)] as this sad fop has become.

Let him believe he's got your chain and yanked it, if it makes him happy. If I were a child (and I am) I'd simply call him the boogie-man, and I'd sneeze at him. You know, it makes him go away.

How difficult it is to WELCOME someone who only wants to PUNCH HOLES in everything you show him, to trash it and POUNCE upon it as not quite right (and there's the understatement of the century). For he can always tell you just how and why it *doesn't measure up* to what Mother Church has told him to tell you, and me, and all of us, to BLINDLY BELIEVE ...

... and you better, or we'll put screws through your thumbs and pour water down your throat 'til you CONFESS.

Oh wait, they made them stop that. Yeah, he's kinda disappointed, but he's still trying to make the most of it.

Don't mind him, or me either, for that matter.

THINK FOR YOURSELF

I will encourage and SMILE as you do so.
He will jump up and down, clench his fists, blow smoke out his ears ...

... and POOF! You and I pretty much already, for the most part, KNOW better.

If Thomas wants to downgrade his deity, and imagine Him LESS than He is, LET HIM. He's the only one really suffering for it. The rest of us are ready to advance our understanding and usefulness FORWARD, and are moving on.

If the man won't join you on the raft headed for Safety ... leave the sinking ship behind, him included. :(

Trust me; he will come around, another day, another set of circumstances and rather more difficult set of opportunities, I should imagine. It's his choice. Don't let him strong-arm YOU into making YOURS (on ANY issue or idea/s) FOR you. ;) :)
 
Getting back to the topic: what is the basis for the claim that Jesus was a continuation of the Mithras cult?

This is only oral history, but the early church (pre-Nicene), early Judaism, and early Islam all tend to say different. Gimme some background and help here.
 
The S*N is the HEART of His System, in a word. His Life-giving Rays radiate outward in ALL directions, including the Four Cardinal ones [which then figures into every Mandala as its BASE ... as the root chakra, the Muladara with its 4 `spokes']. This CROSS is far more Universal and Sacred than the con-job that the Catholics and others have super-imposed, GRAFTED ONTO, the Yggdrasil, the Bodhi, the TREE of Love-Wisdom whose roots run DEEP into Mother Earth [the Sacred Feminine, in one sense], leaves and branches drawn UPWARD by that same Solar POWER and Potency [as in POTENTIAL] which likewise draws US ALL unto `HIM' ...

And CHRIST even told us that, while doubting-duper-man over here was busy tucking his thumb somewhere. I really am DISMAYED.

Anyway, the Biblical verse many of us know well: That if Christ be raised, or LIFTED UP ~ in our HEARTs, Thomas, in our HEARTs, not simpy on your lips, vainly repeated oft and ineffectually ~ ALL PEOPLE, certainly not just men, or Catlicks, or even Christians, would be DRAWN TO HIM.

Well, Mother Nature has already shown us this, does so EVERY DAY, and the Wise will both observe it and seek to COOPERATE. The foolish will simply shoot down that which they cannot understand, much less abide or begin to realize has been there ~ ALL ALONG ~ hidden in plain sight.

God sends forth Messengers, Prophets, Guides and capable Leaders, in every sign, every age and at certain MARKed intervals, to SHOW God's People (that's us, ALL of us) the WAY to move FWD ... even in some cases as we've never before imagined (possible). Dea(r)th of vision, of insight and of Imagination is NOT what God intends, or hopes, from His Apostles.

If the aspirations of some amongst us rest squarely and securely with learning what a bunch of old fuddy duddies wrote 1500 years ago to keep fretful pilgrims' rumps planted firmly in the pews, their coin-purses jingling for the PURCHASE of SEATS in the afterlife ... then let this man stop there, for having stuck his finger in the hole in the dike, I think those of us who have learned from such a mistake should know enough to get out of the way from what's already crumbling all around [him]. Move, Thomas, MOVE.

My directed encouragement only comes because there's some house-cleaning, some Spring cleaning that is both needed and imminent, and this poor gentleman (at heart, anyway) thinks he's going about it properly. I make no pretense to having the least bit of interest in that dry, sordid Church past - the darkest of those dark times - which seem so lively to our co-contributor here. WHY, I continue to wonder, is it so necessary to drop anchor in that downfallen time, when Christ lives and moves and has HIS Being TODAY? HERE! NOW!!!

The S*N does not tend to flee or fade and run, when challenged, when the going gets tough. Nor did `HIS' Son.

The S*N is not concerned about your skin color, your RELIGIOUS babblings, or your political ideology when it comes time to shed warmth and Light abroad, for ALL. Nor did Christ treat others so CONDITIONALLY, as I continue to see evidenced ... (and I do witness it) ...

The S*N cannot, and would not be described by those cultures and Sages of ALL times and world civilizations (from Atlantis through Egypt, India and the Native Americans, indigenous Druidic peoples, etc.) as God Himself, finally speaking, any more than OUR little planet could be said to be the only one supporting life, or having importance and bearing on Cosmic Evolution. Christ taught the same, and made it CLEAR + when He was praised and venerated + that it was one WORKING *THROUGH* and IN Him which made all things, in this way, POSSIBLE.

Let anyone who can witness and bear it, CONFESS it. Give TRUTH and meaning to this empty, vain pratice, this LIFELESS ritual where it is made so by the way in which it is rendered [unknowing, for catharsis alone, and as if FORCED from without].

I will LAY OPEN and bring TO LIGHT what I see IN THE DARK. Christ asked this of us, too. And as best we are able, so long as we have breath of air to confess it (again, I frog-jive you, brother, I do frog-jive you) ...

... do tell others what you know of the SOLAR DEITY (and Deities, for there are STARS as many, even in our own Milky Way, as the grains of sand upon all the beaches and in all the oceans upon the planet ~ my hyperbole an unlikely offense, in light of the unseen globes and unsuspected, unfathomed and unfathomable expressions of LIGHT that are well beyond our visible, or even as-yet-detectable spectrum).

Whoever you are, whatever you may experience by way of Insight, Inspiration, Illumination and Understanding, SHARE IT.

As best as possible, if you appreciate the value of wil's reminder for us all to T.H.I.N.K. before we post ... make SURE you recognize the necessity, before doing do, yet never fear when yours [your Faith, your Life, your Aspirations and your very Heart, your Self] is rooted within TRUTH.

Those unknowing who twist the truth, distort clear meaning and deflect the light and warmth from reaching ALL (or any) ... these, I have found, are much more easily forgiven and understood ... than those who, witting and `wise' [and worldy wise they are, clever and adept, adroit and most cunning], would seek to delude, pull the wool over your eyes.

Thomas speaks of veils, and I haven't the heart to go after those thick cateracts of his ... with anything besides words. Far sharper than the sharpest metal or even laser-enhanced optometrist's instruments, I also know that any unnecessary cut is apt to reveal far more than ~ the Jewel within ... or even the faintest sparkle, or hint, of its RADIANCE.

In his case, I should find it difficult to work altogether, for I am not used to the LIGHT ... and this, you see, simply means that every single one of us both receives and transmits a rather large array, or range, of vibration(s). Why shall it be so difficult for him to wrestle with and grasp [as the persona struggles to finally FACE the overshadowing SOUL] that in this fashion, in like wise, hath THE ONE made us ALL in the Divine image?

Because he chooses; and that is his prerogative.

No man has the right to thus perform an unwanted surgery, or even a less invasive measure directly intended to palliate, alleviate and ameliorate where the willful personality resists and rejects the attempt. Hence even CHRIST JESUS could not heal, where the people were unreceiving, where the individual was unprepared, or where conditioning karma was too great to be offset ~ even by the 2nd Aspect [of our 2nd Ray Solar LOGOS] in direct Incarnation!

I am no Christ, as yet ... no high Initiate, no Mahatma. And if I were but a wee choir-boy, I suspect, unless some among us learned to listen with *different ears* I wouldn't at all be surprised if my Song were not heard at all.

God Bless, and here, I really INTEND it

Namaskar
 
I recommend the following as a beginning for those with the interest, the patience to learn something, and those who do not wish to let others do their thinking for them:

Google search: `influence of mithraism on christianity'

You JUST MIGHT be amazed .... ;) :)

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I also most heartily recommend a reading of the following paper, by Dr. MLK, Jr., entitled, `The Influence of the Mystery Religions on Christianity.'

I believe you will find it has relevance here.
 
I will read, I do "Google Scholar" (sorry, normal websites include too many fringe groups imho).

I am just looking for soemthing between, say, 200 and 1800.
 
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