Self-Consciousness vs Self-Realisation

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  1. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    What are the differences between
    Self-Consciousness and Self-Realisation?

    Is Self-Consciousness a part of ego-conscious-vanity and self-esteem and thus, at the far end of the spectrum gives rise to supreme [yet temporal] selfish conceit?

    versus

    Self-Realisation is the result of introspective meditation and the linking-up process of selfless-ness.

    Does Self-Realisation entail selfless-ness?
     
  2. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    The elimination of imputed meaning and the desire to reduce reality to a simulacrum should reveal a better picture of reality. The problem is I have no idea if we are capable of living in anything other than a self-created reality.
     
  3. Thomas

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    Isn't that what we do already?

    I think the idea of 'self-realisation' being achieved by reducing everything to nothing is a bit ... contradictory?

    Isn't science a simulacrum, after all? The 'fact' that it can be empirically determined is not the be-all and end-all ... as someone said, science uses numbers to explain the world and justify its pronouncements, but numbers are a construct — a useful one — but a construct which, if we're not careful, can blinker as well as illuminate.

    Ah, there's the rub! I think you're right, for if not one's own, then surely the only other option is living in someone else's created reality!

    Psychology and the New Physics would seem to agree that the observer cannot remain at distance from the observed, and moreover that the observed changes by being observed ... ?

    Thomas
     
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  5. wil

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    self consciousness is being disappointed in who you are...by your actions and your words..

    self realization is knowing and accepting who you are, and striving to become more as you shed your need for approval.

    just my stab at it.
     
  6. Thomas

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    Hey, Paladin —
    Oooh, a big yes to that!

    That one goes into the memorybox with a tag saying 'contemplate on this' ... thanks, Paladin.

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
  7. bhaktajan

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    Young man, be mindfull and Self-Consciousness of your actions ---even more during "In the Zone" occasions,

    or else,

    how do you expect to become Self-Actualised?

    If you do not become Self-Actualised . . . how do you expect to feel free to seek Self-Realisation?

    But, ironnically, It is easier for an elephant to pass through the eye of an needle --than it is for a selfish Self-Actualised person to get into heaven.

    :)
     
  8. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Self actualized person is already in heaven....
     
  9. bhaktajan

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    Yes and No.

    Playboy Magazine owner Hugh Heffner is Self actualized.
    Hustler owner Larry Flynt is Self actualized.

    For the masses down throug history "heaven for the Self actualized" is simply being situated "On Top of the Heap".

    Student Loan Investment Bankers are securely Self actualized.
     
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    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    How about ...

    ... the self-actualised has actualised something about him/herself according to his or her notion of what it is to be (as bhaktajan has pointed out most eloquently).

    ... the self-realised has realised something about him/herself according to his or her notion of what it is to be.

    God bless,

    Thomas
     
  11. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    I've been meaning to mention this slightly arcane word:

    "self-possessed"

    I wonder if any one has encountered this word as used in older literature.

    Am I being presumptuous in thinking it is NOT a commonly known term?
     
  12. eternalSoul

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    They aren't the same thing?
     
  13. bhaktajan

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    No.

    Two simply phrases!

    What to speak of the various sanskrit terminologies!

    Self-realisation = the intimate enlightenment of knowing:

    "I am NOT this material body & Ego... I am spirit soul".

    Self-Consciousness is slef-awareness . . . like an Olympian athlete doing their thing.

    "Zen" is all about being "Self-Consciousness"

    Ironically, Self-Consciousness is also known to be a term for disabling shy-ness.

    A "Zen Master" vs "disabling shy-ness" ---these do not mix well.
     
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    Personhood or not Personhood:
    That is the question:
    Whether 'tis nobler in the mind
    to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, ...
    Or to merge into Nirvana ... and relinquish being
     

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