Greetings from a refugee

Vessariò

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Greetings. I am new to these forums.

Religiously, I am not a particularly religious person at the moment but I am mainly influenced by an old-world traditionalist point of view.

I have found this forum after having been inexplicably banned from another religiously-oriented forum (which ironically, seemed largely moderated by atheists). I was banned after the first dozen or so posts after another poster began accusing me of being there with a "political agenda".

I hope that this place is more accepting.
 

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Hello and welcome!
People have been banned now and again for various reasons, but I don't know if anyone have been for a political agenda, so this should be interesting!
 

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Hello and welcome!
People have been banned now and again for various reasons, but I don't know if anyone have been for a political agenda, so this should be interesting!

Ironically, that person would often post articles from sites that have a well-known political agenda, and he hasn't been banned by the moderators of the said forum yet.
 

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Welcome to IO, Vessariò. We have plenty of refugees here, so you should fit right in.

I hope you don't mind heated debate and a bit of head-butting. (Yes, we can all be butt-heads every once in a while.) :p
 

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What is this political agenda (communist, marxist, liberal pig, right wing wacko, egocentric libertarian??) and what old world traditional viewpoint (Norse, Zeus, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Taoist, Salahist, Pastafarian??)

inquiring minds are salivating....who rung the damn bell?
 

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What is this <....> Pastafarian??)

inquiring minds are salivating....who rung the damn bell?

Oh, it must be that time of year again! :D

**throws a forkful of my fettuccine at wil**

I'd like you to meet my friend, His Sauciness, The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

{You can go clean up at the beer volcano in His Sauciness's paradise abode. Say hey to Capt Mosey and the Pirates while you're there!}
 

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May I say I love your wet noodles my dahling?

Nothing like freshly made pasta, although your alfredo could use a little more garlic...

The fork is great, but I am old school and would like a spoon to clean this off my shirt...

Please bring me a bowl full, with some sauteed fingerling zuchinnis and a glass of chiraz when you've made the corrections. I'll be sitting in my barcalounger in the OFC contemplating where you should plant the peppers this year whilst I wait.
 

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What is this political agenda (communist, marxist, liberal pig, right wing wacko, egocentric libertarian??) and what old world traditional viewpoint (Norse, Zeus, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Taoist, Salahist, Pastafarian??)

inquiring minds are salivating....who rung the damn bell?

I am actually rather apolitical. I am more concerned with cultural and social ideas than political ones. However, I have been against wars where they are not necessary, and I am against the intervention of large and powerful countries in those who cannot defend themselves.

The only two political articles I posted on that site were from antiwar.com and from another site, foreignpolicyjournal.com. I suppose one of the articles was slightly critical of Obama, so it may have upset those who supported him in this last American election.

As for tradition, I don't mean a particular religious ideal, though I am nominally Christian. Philosophically, I ascribe to some of the ideas of the Perennialists, which is to say Tradition with a "capital T". Such was developed at the beginning of the 20th century by a Frenchman named Rene Guenon and is today best represented in the United States by Huston Smith, James Cutsinger, and Sayyed Hossein Nasr.
 

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What is this political agenda (communist, marxist, liberal pig, right wing wacko, egocentric libertarian??) and what old world traditional viewpoint (Norse, Zeus, Zoroastrian, Hindu, Taoist, Salahist, Pastafarian??)

inquiring minds are salivating....who rung the damn bell?

Truth be told, I don't know what the political agenda I am accused of promoting is. The site seemed to be rather liberal in the American sense, so perhaps they felt I was ruining the atmosphere for them.

As for Tradition, I am mostly Christian, but I have studied a variety of other faiths independently.
 

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Well jump on in and test the water...

Discussion is expected....they do get heated at times....a modecum of respect is in order...

And over time we'll tell you what political agenda you are foisting.....since you don't know, we'll enlighten you..
 

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Well jump on in and test the water...

Discussion is expected....they do get heated at times....a modecum of respect is in order...

And over time we'll tell you what political agenda you are foisting.....since you don't know, we'll enlighten you..

I am largely apolitical. I tend to see things in cultural and social terms rather than in political ones. I guess that might make me a libertarian but to me, that's just a name. I do feel strongly about non-interventionism, however.
 

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And you mentioned Guénon ... are you Sophia Perennis inclined?

A little bit, I suppose.

On matters religious, I more or less take St. Augustine's view: that "true religion" existed more or less in one form or another throughout the various ancient races and cultures:

The very thing that is now called the Christian religion was not wanting among the ancients from the beginning of the human race, until Christ came in the flesh, after which the true religion, which had already existed, began to be called "Christian".

I believe that there may be seeds of Truth in all the ancient Traditional religions, and even a few which post-date Christianity such as Islam and Sikhism. That being said, not all those who call themselves "religions" necessarily exist for the pursuit of Truth.
 

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So you don't see it as ancient spiritual practices like shamanism that evolve into more elaborate rituals that eventually became organized religion?
 

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So you don't see it as ancient spiritual practices like shamanism that evolve into more elaborate rituals that eventually became organized religion?

There are two ways of looking at this.

One is a more modern way, which is expounded by the Baha'i in the form of the doctrine of "progressive revelation".

The other, which is slightly more controversial, is that Shamanism and "primitive" beliefs are not those which have not yet evolved, but those who have degenerated and moved away from the Eternal revelation.

I'd be happy to discuss this in more detail, but I will do so elsewhere, as it is quite beyond the scope of this simple introduction thread.
 

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"I am mainly influenced by an old-world traditionalist point of view." great. Welcome to the forum, this place is really more accepting!
 
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