The Light vs. Darkness

Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by Shibolet, Mar 21, 2015.

  1. Shibolet

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    Well, I assume we are, aren't we? I am indeed open to the fact that we all think differently from each other... and that's good. Learning is the purpose and there is no learning in the chit-chattering of common beliefs. Controversy is the secret.
     
  2. Devils' Advocate

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    Seems to me constructive criticism is more what me should hope for. Controversy is too antagonistic; more often than not people are just talking past each other.
     
  3. juantoo3

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    I have read the translation of the War between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness, and pretty much all other Dead Sea Scrolls I could find translated. The Essenes are an integral part of a pivotal point in history that intrigues me...which is why I find your statement here curious.

    The Jews in general have "always" advocated a separation between them and Gentiles...so it wasn't only the Essenes teaching this at the time, so were the Pharisees and the Saduccees and pretty much all other Jewish teachers...it was "second nature" and a given in Jewish thought. Which means the War between the Sons of Light and Sons of Darkness wasn't about the separation between Jews and Gentiles. It was between Jews and Essenes, cast as a war between the unrighteous and the righteous. The Essenes set up shop in the desert to get away from *what they saw as* the corrupted practices that had taken over the Temple by that time. To the Essenes, the "Sons of Darkness" were those in religious power that had abused and perverted their privilege and position in the Temple (not least by colluding with the occupying Roman power). While certain scholars would like to tie Yashua (Jesus) to the Essenes because of this connection, there is nothing to indicate Yashua had any direct association with the Essenes. John Baptist *might* have had some peripheral association with the Essenes (both were ascetics, though John is thought to have been more of a hermit), but again there is nothing to indicate direct association.
     
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  4. juantoo3

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essenes

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/portrait/scrolltranslation.html#fn0

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_scrolls

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Sons_of_Light_Against_the_Sons_of_Darkness

     
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  5. Thomas

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    And much to indicate against it. He broke the laws of ritual purity enough to offend the Pharisees, and such actions would have outraged an Essene.
     

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