The Light vs. Darkness

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  1. Shibolet

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    The Light vs. Darkness

    The main theme of the Essene Theology was the struggle between the Children of Light and the Children of Darkness. Between the Jews and the Gentiles, there is.

    And the earth was without form and void; from the Hebrew, "tohu- vavohu." aka chaotic condition. This is a reference to the earth prior to the Flood. (Gen. 6:5)

    And God pronounced the first prophecy ever about the children of light: "Let there be light and there was light." (Gen. 1:3) But the Lord had to divide the light from the darkness. (Gen. 1:4) Hence the Essene view of the struggle between Israel and the Gentiles.

    Although they were to be apart from each other, the Lord assigned Israel to serve as light unto the Gentiles (Isa. 42:6)

    Aware of that Divine prophecy, Jesus confirmed Prophet Isaiah in his Sermon of the Mount to a crowd of Jews when he declared, "You are the Light of the world." (Mat. 5:14)

    Now, the main reason why they were to remain apart from each other is that, for instance, mix-marriages among them which became the cause of most of the falls of Israel, especially due to idolatry.

    Conclusion: Now, the reason why Jesus forbade his disciples to take the light of salvation to the Gentiles is beyond my understanding. (Mat. 10:5,6) Does any one have a word on this paradox?
     
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    I believe he was just indicating they should preach to the willing first... Those that were most likely to accept the new thinking... later... all nations and to the end of the earth...

    Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19, ESV)

    But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” (Acts 1:8, ESV)
     
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    Matthew 28:19 could never have been stated by Jesus but by Paul though the Hellenist who attributed that gospel to Matthew. As a Jew, Jesus could never teach about the Trinity and identify himself as the second person of the Trinity. Jews are absolutely monotheists. (Deut. 6:4)
     
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    I actually agree with you on this one! For me the Christian concept of monotheism is astonishingly convoluted. Or rather perhaps I should say their explanation of monotheism is astonishingly convoluted, since they at least three Gods who must also all be one God.
     
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    I concur too...here where there is polarity in everything, all good has its flip side. What the Essenes believed in I am not knowledgeable but some people think highly of them....Jews being the chosen ones, I am not sure they surely have their hand full now with Iran and ISIL.
     
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    An explanation of Monotheism does not have to be convoluted or too mysterious. God, the Primal Cause of the universe is absolutely One and not two or three. That's Monotheism according to the Jewish Scriptures. (Deut. 6:4)
     
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    Have you noticed that ISIS is attacking almost everywhere in the Middle East but not Israel? Some thing must be keeping them away from us, and I tell you, it is not love for Zion. They probably know that it could be the end of them and they don't want to rush that.
     
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    the islamic state of Iraq and Syria is still trying to establish itself....
     
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    And they know that by fighting Israel, they will never achieve that dream of theirs. Even Americans they are killing and setting Americans on their feet. I am following the development and nothing against the Jews of Israel so far. I hope the Lord will keep them away. We have already a lot to do to keep Hamas in check.
     
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    Sorry Will, but you are absolutely wrong. A Jew, as a Jew, could never speak in favor of the Trinity. According to the Tanach there is no such a thing as "God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit." HaShem Who Ehad v'Iahid." The Lord is One and the Only One. (Deut. 6:4)
     
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    And the Lord, somehow, is keeping them away from us.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Praise Allah, Shiva and thankya Jesus!
     
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    Yea, you are surely not being serious.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Why of course...interfaith site...eh?
     
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    Post # 13 does not classify as an interfaith discussion but something akin to a prayer.
     
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    It is so unlike post #13....
     
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    What a bizarre statement! Seems like a straightforward enough declarative sentence to me.
     
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    Not every one can see the same way as others do.
     
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    Nor should everyone see the same way as others do. Completely agree. But (and you just knew there was a but coming!) on a forum such as this, an interfaith forum, seems to me we need to be a bit more open to the potential differences in meaning. No?
     

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