Omnist Igtheism

[Anonomous]

knower of these

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self evident

I cannot see how religion is self evident given the vast diversity of human religious behaviors from all places and times. If it were, we would all believe the same thing. The only things we have in common is humanity and fact. Humanity and fact are self evident. Religion is demonstrative of humanity's perception of fact, not fact itself.

it means re-bind, to make one what was apparently two.
Most who claim it are divisive, not religious.
It remains mental, the heart has not risen.

Without objects, the subject is unknowable...
Yet, in deep sleep, with no objects at all, still you are.
Same is before birth and after death.
All else is grace.
You are conscious of being.

The nature of beingness is love.

John 15:9 "As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love."

Please cut the esotericism.

 

[Ruh Ishq]

It is not self evident because you have not known it.

Apocalypse actually means "to lift the veil"...

Fana is that lifting...

Irfan is Divine Love, directly experienced.

 

[Ruh Ishq]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fana_(Sufism)

Irfan is basically Persian for Gnosis...

Latin Science, Indian Jnana.

 

[Anonomous]

you have not known it.

Religion is not "known". Religion is a perception.

Fana is that lifting...
Irfan is Divine Love, directly experienced.

This thread is not for preaching an individual religion. Although I respect sufism, I'd be more willing to have a dialogue thereabout on a Sufi or Muslim thread. Of all muslim sects, it is that to which I've been most attracted.

 

[Anonomous]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fana_(Sufism)

 

[Ruh Ishq]

 

[Ruh Ishq]

 

[Ruh Ishq]

I have studied every tradition as deeply as I can, and see only love.

Even in the science of physics I see only the phenomena of love.

 

[Anonomous]

I have studied every tradition as deeply as I can, and see only love.
Even in the science of physics I see only the phenomena of love.

What do you mean by love?
Btw did you watch the video?

 

[Ruh Ishq]

What do you mean by love?
Btw did you watch the video?

By love is meant the meeting of opposites, the direct experience of oneness, tawhid.

I have not watched your video yet, no.

 

[Ruh Ishq]

This is depressing

 

[Anonomous]

By love is meant the meeting of opposites, the direct experience of oneness, tawhid.

Explain its relevance in the contexts that you mention.

This is depressing

If you watch until the end it isn't

 

[Ruh Ishq]

Explain its relevance in the contexts that you mention.

It is all I'm talking about... contemplate it.

Its answer is true Love.

If you watch until the end it isn't

I disagree, it still misses what is alive here and now.

 

[Anonomous]

I disagree

Did you watch until the end?
Ill watch your vid now

It is all I'm talking about... contemplate it.

If you want your ideas heard and understood, you probably shouldn't resist clarifying your perspectives.

 

[Ruh Ishq]

Did you watch until the end?

Yes.

If you want your ideas heard and understood, you probably shouldn't resist clarifying your perspectives.

It is only because words can't clarify, but if you trust them they can take you to truth.

What is beyond every pair of opposites?

What is their common source?

They do not exist independently, from where do they arise?

 

[Ruh Ishq]

1 John 4:8 "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."

Does this "I" have a different nature?

Yet, the combination of object and subject, their relation, is the foundation for consciousness.

 

[Ruh Ishq]

 

[Anonomous]

I prefer theological noncognitivism over failed communication.

 

[Anonomous]

If you want to preach sufism in the manner that you seem to prefer, go to another thread.

 

[Ruh Ishq]

I prefer theological noncognitivism over failed communication.

Just consider the words I have shared.

No one else can give you the answer, as I go on saying: you have to experience it.

They are not empty words, I have no intention of teaching something.

My interest is direct understanding, creating the environment for insights to spring spontaneously.