The Logos

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  1. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Also known as the Word. Freedom of speech, a fundamental right in America. Freedom of expression, the freedom of communication, whether through music, vocabulary, movies, body language, signs, art such as paintings, sketches, architecture, a warm embrace, a sexual encounter, a smile, a frown, a slap on the face, etc. The Logos ... The Word, the divine expression, utterance, communication, the art of creation and creating something beautiful or something loathsome.

    We are co-creators with our creators who made us in their image, both males and females who have the capacity to feel, to experience, to know and embrace life, which is ... God. Beyond life, there are gods like us, who like them, made us in their (G) image. Two souls in one, a new creation, birthed from our mothers womb ... one of our creators.

    Honor your mother, honor your father ... without them you would not have life. Honor your help mate/s as if they are your life force, because in the end ... That's exactly what they are. In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and was God, and nothing that was made was made without it ... And the Word became flesh and we beheld his glory, the glory as one begotten of the father full of grace and truth.

    Freedom of Speech, freedom of communication, freedom of expression, the freedom to honor the Word and/or Logos
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Jake reminds me of someone I know fairly well. The story line, well ... let's just say it runs in the family. I use the logos the way it is meant to be used and utilized. I bring it into the light. I dislike the way some keep the logos in the dark all censored n stuff. Btw, freedom of speech is probably the most important of all. Why? Because the light enables understanding and knowledge, and without that the bible states the God's people are destroyed. Hosea 4:6

     
  3. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Power of a song:



    Ring them bells ye heathen from the city that dreams
    Ring them bells from the sanctuaries cross the valleys and streams
    For they're deep and they're wide
    And the world is on its side
    And time is running backwards
    And so is the bride

    Ring them bells Saint Peter where the four winds blow
    Ring them bells with an iron hand
    So the people will know
    Oh it's rush hour now
    On the wheel and the plow
    And the sun is going down upon the sacred cow

    Ring them bells Sweet Martha for the poor man's son
    Ring them bells so the world will know that God is one
    Oh the shepherd is asleep
    Where the willows weep
    And the mountains are filled with lost sheep

    Ring them bells for the blind and the deaf
    Ring them bells for all of us who are left
    Ring them bells for the chosen few
    Who will judge the many when the game is through
    Ring them bells for the time that flies
    For the child that cries
    When innocence dies

    Ring them bells for Saint Catherine from the top of the room
    Ring them bells from the fortress for the lilies that bloom
    Oh the lines are long and the fighting is strong
    And they're breaking down the distance between right and wrong
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Thank you for that one, and for the Raven comment in your profile ...
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Thank you too. That song is on the Oh Mercy album, one of Dylan's best, imo
     
  6. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Ah, yes, that may be the case, but it's not really logos, though ...

    I'm not arguing with your poesy, but we must be cautious in ascribing our own interpretations to stuff ... as you say elsewhere: "The way some view the content therein is where the troubles stem... "
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    Well, in all reality it is... It doesn't require much to understand it, per the Greek definition of. It all boils down to "the gods got creative, came together and expressed an idea, a thought, something desired, then through the art of communication and act of expression .. created. Like a man and woman, who become one, after which a new creation begins the process of life and evolution. They had the freedom to, the liberty to, the desire to, and so they did. The same can be said for everything in life. First a desire or thought, then the act of expressing it, on to the creating that which was desired.
     
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    I'd draw a distinction between what logos actually means, and what we attach to it, and why.

    The term logos derives from the root leg- "to collect, gather," which derives "discourse", "to speak", etc.

    The Greeks imputed divine reason as the implicit First Cause, by which the cosmos is ordered, and goes back at least to Heraclitus, who discerned the FC as reasoned and rational. Stoics developed the idea as an active rational and spiritual principle that permeated all reality. All created nature has its individual logoi or blueprint, the divine idea, contained in the FC called logos. Philo saw the logos as the intermediary between God and the cosmos, being both the agent of creation and the agent through which the human mind can apprehend and comprehend God. According to Philo and Plato, the logos is both immanent in the world and at the same time transcends it.

    In the Gospel of John, Jesus Christ is identified as 'the Word' (logos) made flesh, and this ides would have incorporated Hebrew speculation on memra ('word') which of course carries the explicit idea that God is present in His word, and indeed is synonymous with it.

    Which begs the question: who created the gods?

    Indeed, but the idea of 'freedom' is not actually implicit in the term, that's the point I was making.

    The First Cause or Principle (Gk: arche) is itself without cause or over-arching principle, as was referred to as arche anarchos, the Principle without principle. In that sense it is free because it is Absolute, Infinite, Unbounded, Uncreated, and so on ... but the subsequent logoi, both formal and formless, are created, and are Relative, Finite, etc. and not at all free in the Divine sense.

    Likewise if one seeks to know the FC, the desire to be free, is a way very definitely determined and demanding of the utmost rigour, and in the Abrahamic context is dogmatically declared: "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might" (Deuteronomy 6:5), "And now, Israel, what doth the Lord thy God require of thee, but to fear the Lord thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the Lord thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul" (10:12) "And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live" (30:6)
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    That's pretty much what I stated, only the way you explain it makes much less sense. First cause = desire, on to communicating and expressing that desire, then on to the manifestation of that desire, so on so forth. Yes … who made who and who made you too and everything else. So who is who? Who that's who. She's a wise owl I must admit, and like a dove … too … Singing who, who say who ... But then, she was on the edge of 17.

    Anyway, the word (logos) … the divine expression of, communication, utterance, language, a discourse, an act of expression of self.

     
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    Well only if you're attributing human emotions to God.

    God is not moved by 'desires', 'wants' or 'needs' as much as we like to think God is.
     
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    Gatekeeper Shades of Reason

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    I'll humbly disagree
     
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    Let's say all is mind, and we see and experience life because of. From first cause or desire the cosmos came to be. In the image of came other life forms who see through the mind and experience life through the mind too. It's all energy, perception of energy and much like reading and comprehending what is read and like a puzzle with many peices, an image of life if formed through the mind of each mindful creature.

    Sight, smell, taste, touch, hearing, and on to putting all sensory qualities together to firm a picture. Life is art, life is energy, life is mind, and life is how we on personal levels experience that energy. First is expression then comes comprehension and the experience if what is expressed.

    It's highly personal and based in individual qualities characteristics and how we ourselves are made. Like corn us corn, a great bean a green bean, a deer a deer, a human a human, a dog a dog, a cat a cat, a watermelon a water melon ... Terrestrial celestial earlrhy heavenly .... Each is it's own kind.
     
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    Yess, preach Gatekeepah ! :) to love god means to share his word, and what you are sharing is the truth. Its a lovley truth, it imparts justice in the universe and victory over all things and total satisfaction of being

    This should be said more often. The Word, the logos, is a grand and multidimensional puzzle. It has to be understood this way cause its the truth. To solve the puzzle...well, there's only one way to solve it, and thats through an experience in the field of infinite possibilities...

    If you have met god you know how crazy it is...love is a very interdimensional (interdimensional meaning: the microcosm into the macrocosm but infinitley) property, and god has a lot of love for us...his or her undying affection for all us sentient beings is monumental...its out of proportion...when I encountered it I said, crying in pure bliss "Oh god, how can you love me so much? Out of all the people in the world...you love me so much?! I am so, so, so lucky! Yet I am not worthy of such unbounded love!"

    Its a level of love which is incomprehensible to people...even as a concept! Its totally counter intutive, you would never expect that amount of love...what it does is it changes the meaning of the word love. It isnt what we actually think it is. What Love actually is is the Word. Thats why God means Love in most religions. But its not sentimental love like most experience here on earth...its real love ! Gosh its so amazing :) god bless us all, may we always be content and in a state of equanimity. Let us every so often celebrate our birthright as princesses and princes, and dance and enjoy ourselves for the gift of this life, for despite all our flaws, and they are many, we are adored by our mericful and glorious father the eternal Logos.

    The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want. 2 He maketh me to lie down in green [1] pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. 3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. 5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest [2] my head with oil; my cup runneth over. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord for ever
     
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    When life sucks and hard to deal with, love is not the pain, it is the gain.
     
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    Or, conversely, to solve the 'puzzle' — personally I would say enter into the Mystery — requires acknowledging just one thing:
    "Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:15-16)

    "She (Martha) saith to him: Yea, Lord, I have believed that thou art Christ the Son of the living God, who art come into this world" (John 11:27)

    "Thomas answered, and said to him: My Lord, and my God." (John 20:28)
     

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