Why interfaith?

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    The entire world flooded? They all reaped?

    The entire city plagued?

    This thinking causes folks to say things like G!d sent a hurricane to punish homosexuals...

    Lol, but left Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, and Stalin run rampant and kill millions...or did the millions reap what they deserved?

    I cannot abide by any belief that purposes anything similar to be true or justified...

    I would not want to live in paradise forever with those that do.
     
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  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    I'm right here! Lol

    And yes me as well. My mistakes are all my own. Some I have even learned from! Most have to be repeated.
     
  3. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Souls that only want to be close to the divine source
     
  4. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Active Member

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    I don't think it was .. the account is basically true, but exaggerated..

    G-d intervenes as He wills. It's a bit difficult to judge the actions of THE "time Lord"

    It doesn't work that way .. one has to see the bigger picture..
    ..much like those responsible for climate-change aren't necessarily the ones who immediately suffer.
    That's the whole point. Free-will allows mankind to oppress others.
    Those that wrong others, such as in the holocaust, should know that death cannot prevent them from justice.
    I don't know about you, but 100 years of being with violent criminals would be unbearable.

    G-d knows what is in your heart, and it will be laid bare eventually.
    ..as I say, we reap what we sow :)
     
  5. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    God loves the children of pain.
     
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    Arif Ghamiq Active Member

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    Expound on that please ?
     
  7. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Not sure how to: 'Suffering can be holy.'
     
  8. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    That was used to keep playing people enslaved for centuries.

    Be happy with your lot in life...
     
  9. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Bringing it out now. Are you denying the fact?

    Christopher Hitchens' twisted argument casting Mother Theresa evil for spending her life picking up dying human debris from the streets of the worst slums on earth to help them die with dignity, in a bed with nuns to be there. She wasn't running hospitals. She was running hospices for the dying.
    All I know is through the window of what I am. Spiritual laws may not be the same as natural laws. Nature is all I want to be? As in ... is it?
     
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  10. Thomas

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    I quite agree, I argue when people suggest any kind of 'just desserts' be it ensconced in scripture or the idea of karma.

    There were strong links, in the Old Testament, regarding sin and suffering. The OT traces the development of doctrines in the face of changing times. Job is an extended meditation on how and why God might let bad things happen to good people. Conversely, wo/men of all times and all ages ask why the bad flourish and the good suffer.

    In Luke 13:1-5, Jesus actually refutes the OT notion of something akin to karma. 'Good' men were slaughtered at prayer in the Temple by Pilate in an act of retribution; 'Bad' men, working on a building project for Pilate and funded by monies obtained by him by selling temple treasures, were killed when the tower they were building collapsed.

    There's the usual Pharisaic legal trap being set here in the questioning, but as usual Jesus takes the debate above the level of common assumption. In neither case did these men die because they were sinners over and above other men — it was common to assume that goods and ills were distributed in some fashion by God 'as He wills', but that is not so ...
     
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  11. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    Huh?
     
  12. muhammad_isa

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    It's difficult to pinpoint the complete nature of God.
    We have been given some knowledge from scripture, and our conscience and intelligence,
    but as we can only imagine 'where God is' or 'what God is', we can only compare Him to this physical existence,
    which is very limited relatively speaking.

    One thing I'm personally sure of, is that physical death is not final.
    In turn, that means that 'goods & ills' can come in this life and/or the life hereafter.
    We also have to remember that God can see all .. He is aware of every person's heart, and
    who will be born tomorrow and who will die.
     
  13. wil

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    Lol, why interfaith?

    I guess cause faith alone doesn't suit me.
     
  14. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Has God never answered your prayer? Or have you never prayed?
     
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    Our thoughts are prayers
    And we are always praying
    Our thoughts are prayers
    Take charge of what you are saying
    Seek a higher consciousness
    A state of peacefulness
    As every thought becomes a prayer.
    lol, as as Sunday school teacher, I'd ask the kid who said he prayed for a better family relationship what his thoughts were when his mother asked him to cleanup his room before he played with his friends, or when his dad while drinking beer and watching football told him to mow the lawn...

    I'd ask if they thought G!d was able to hear all their thoughts, all their prayers, which thought was spirit acting on, how was the universe to know which was .most important, when we mostly curse and complain about the family...but only occasionally ask for good relationships.

    So I'd say yes, no, and all the time to both a questions, but as usual using my definition of G!d, prayer, and answer....

    G!d answers all prayers, ya gotta accept that sometimes the answer is no! (Or get off your ass and do it yourself, ie pray but move your feet) the ole teach a man to fish is involved here.
     
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  16. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai

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    I've never had a prayer go unanswered. Often in unexpected ways, but an answer nonetheless and very often a seemingly negative response, has had a positive outcome somewhere down the road. Mind you, I never pray for that which God has already provided. That is, rather than telling God about my problems, I tend to tell my problems about God. ;)
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Perhaps God responds to the prayer of the soul?
     
  18. Thomas

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    The trouble with 'prayer' is that most of us are taught how to pray as kids (if at all) and never really question what prayer actually is.

    I would say if prayer is the same as every other activity, then it's not prayer. Prayer is something specific, which is why it has its own name.

    Thoughts from Frithjof Schuon:
     
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  19. RabbiO

    RabbiO הרב יונה בן זכריה

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    You seem to be of the opinion that belief in a coming messiah is a commonly held belief across the movements within Judaism. It's not.
     
  20. wil

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    Care to expound here or in another thread?
     

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