Who created God?

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  1. muhammad_isa

    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Machines were mice and men were lions, once upon a time;
    But now that its the opposite, its twice upon a time.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    233. Mothers shall suckle their children for two whole years; (that is) for those who wish to complete the suckling. The duty of feeding and clothing nursing mothers in a seemly manner is upon the father of the child. No-one should be charged beyond his capacity. A mother should not be made to suffer because of her child, nor should he to whom the child is born (be made to suffer) because of his child. And on the (father's) heir is incumbent the like of that (which was incumbent on the father). If they desire to wean the child by mutual consent and (after) consultation, it is no sin for them; and if ye wish to give your children out to nurse, it is no sin for you, provide that ye pay what is due from you in kindness. Observe your duty to God, and know that God is Seer of what ye do.
    - Qur'an The Cow -
     
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    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    I have never read any book or article by Richard Dawkins or any modern atheist. I have read just one book of essays by Bertrand Russell and the rest of my atheism originates in Advaita Hinduism and Buddhism.

    I have a fair idea of what Jesus may have said and how Paul and later Christians presented him.
    Hindu theists have created it. The Abrahamics created their own version. No, it does not suit 21st Century. That is why I am a strong atheist.
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Many Hindus are in fact atheists..

    eg. Bhagwan Shri Rajneesh openly proclaimed that God is the biggest lie ever told to humankind.
     
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    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    According to Markandey Katju, former Chairman of the Press Council of India and former judge of the Supreme Court of India, "...there are six classical systems of Indian philosophy, Nyaya, Vaisheshik, Sankya, Yoga, Purva Mimansa and Uttar Mimansa, and three non-classical systems, Buddhism, Jainism and Charvak. Out of these nine systems eight of them are atheistic as there is no place for God in them. Only the ninth one, that is Uttar Mimansa, which is also called Vedanta, has a place for God in it."

    You'll have to pardon me for my confusion :)
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    Why does celebrity give weight to a person's beliefs, and what value does it have in the discussion? Why does what Dawkins believes (about God) matter more than what the person on the supermarket till believes?
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    That's natural after only a five minute Wikipedia study of a faith different from my own?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Oh .. I didn't know you were expert on Hinduism? :D

    My assertion still stands..
    Many Hindus are in fact atheists.
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    So?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    It's Good Friday tomorrow.
    It's a public holiday here in the UK.

    I firmly believe that Jesus was nailed to a cross!

    - Gospel of Truth -

    May Almighty God guide us all and Save Our Souls .. Amen.
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    What a lot of tosh
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Really? :D
    Where am I going wrong?
    Do you think I should be following denominational teachings
    rather than bright students of a renowned University such as Cambridge?
    I'll stick with Sir Isaac Newton and the "Arians", thankyou.
     
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    Yes :D
    Blind tunnel vision
    For physics, you mean?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    No .. not just Physics..

    Newton embarked on an investigative study of the early history of the Church, which developed, during the 1680s, into inquiries about the origins of religion. At around the same time, he developed a scientific view on motion and matter. Of PhilosophiƦ Naturalis Principia Mathematica he stated:

    He was also the first University Professor that wasn't required to make an allegiance to the King regards belief in the trinity.

    Along with his scientific fame, Newton's studies of the Bible and of the early Church Fathers were also noteworthy. Newton wrote works on textual criticism, most notably An Historical Account of Two Notable Corruptions of Scripture and Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John. He placed the crucifixion of Jesus Christ at 3 April, AD 33, which agrees with one traditionally accepted date
     
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    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Oh, I didn't know, thanks for pointing that out!
     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    There are two great basic errors of logic:

    1) Muslim men have beards therefore men who have beards are Muslim
    2) 'A' happened 'B' also happened therefore A and B are related

    Some self professed logicians constantly abuse both principles, imo
     
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    To which a third could be added: I don't get it therefore it's not useful?
     
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    muhammad_isa Save Our Souls

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    Well, you called the Gospel of Truth "tosh".
    I doubt whether Isaac Newton would have done.
    The Nag Hammadi library was only discovered in 1945, so Newton wouldn't have
    had that evidence :)

    In a later memoir, Newton wrote:

     
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    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    You doubt Newton would have commented on a book he didn't know existed?
     

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