So: can God have a Son, or not? Never mind what Newton believed.
They say: 'The All-merciful has taken unto himself a son.' You have indeed advanced something hideous! The heavens are well nigh rent of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-merciful a son; and it behoves not the All-merciful to take a son
The red parts are the personal, off context, subjective, conjectural, lecturing and downtalking parts of your post. The black parts are your answer to my question, in an interfaith debate, without telling ME what I believe or should believe. Especially as say you are here to learn, not preach, imo?He cannot have a literal Son .. no. You know that.
..and then you are going to suggest that Arians are polytheists .. right?
Not true .. Arians do NOT believe that Jesus was "a god".
A "son of God" as meaning a special creation, I believe, is the correct way of viewing Arian belief
Why do I like to talk about my spiritual beliefs?
Because i like learning things!
You see, here's the problem: You're assuming 'Arianism' and 'non-trinitarianism' is the same thing – that all Arians are non-trinitarians, and all non-Trinitarians are Arians.Here is Isaac Newton's list of why he was an Arian. [ non-trinitarian ]
You see, here's the problem: You're assuming 'Arianism' and 'non-trinitarianism' is the same thing – that all Arians are non-trinitarians, and all non-Trinitarians are Arians.
That's not the case at all.
For an answer, hopefully?
Here is Isaac Newton's list of why he was an Arian.
But was he though? These sites suggest not, rather that because his theology sounds like Arianism, people erroneously assume it is Arianism.
Was Isaac Newton an Arian?
"Newton was neither “orthodox” (according to the Athanasian creed) nor an Arian. He believed that both of these groups had wandered into metaphysical speculation. He was convinced that his position was the truly biblical one, in which the Son was affirmed to be the express image of the Father, and that this position was best represented by those Bishops at Nicaea who held the Son to be of the same kind of substance as the Father but not numerically the same. Newton may still be considered heterodox, but in light of the evidence of his theological development he may no longer be considered an Arian, that is to say, a heretic. (emphasis mine: last paragraph)
Was Isaac Newton an Arian?
"That to say there is but one God, ye father of all things, excludes not the son & Holy ghost from the Godhead because they are virtually conteined & implied in the father ... To apply ye name of God to ye Son or holy ghost as distinct persons from the father makes them not divers Gods from ye Father… Soe there is divinity in ye father, divinity in ye Son, & divinity in ye holy ghost, & yet they are not thre forces but one force."
(Van Alan Herd, The Theology of Sir Isaac Newton, Ph.D. Dissertation, University of Oklahoma (2008), p167, citing Isaac Newton, Yahuda, MS 14.)
Isaac Newton's Religion (A Unitarian website)
It comes at the top, as in: all following derives. Again, quoting a wiki passage that proves exactly the opposite of what I want it to mean, lol ...The word God put absolutely without restriction to the Son or Holy Ghost doth always signify the Father from one end of the scriptures to the other.
But was he though? These sites suggest not
Well you're the one making the fuss!
Actually, no. As I said, I like to let the sources speak.
No, I mean you disregard the scholarship and the evidence.
You realize that everything you say about everyone else’s perceptions, or lack thereof, could with justification be said of you.Such is the Quandary of Faith and I see this quandary will not change until we as a united humanity see that there is only One God, and all Messengers were from that One Same God.
That is how I see it Thomas.
I also see the old ways are changing.
Why does one have to be so technical? Isn't the result the same thing?
i.e. People whor don't believe that Jesus is God and the orthodox trinity, are to be squashed as it is heretical belief.