The Body and Blood

[muhammad_isa]

I also feel that retreating into mutually exclusive subforums to only discuss one's own faith is a rather dull, unimaginative solution to the challenge of interfaith dialogue..

I agree, but it seems that Catholics and Protestants, and Sunnis and Shias seem to have arguments all the time.
There are plenty of neutral areas, if that is what people want to do i.e. not be insulted if somebody doesn't agree with you.

I can see that I wind people up [ not intentionally, actually ], but this continual expectation of "the Christian board"
should not question Catholic [ orthodox ] belief is beginning to to annoy me, quite frankly.

There are many different sects of Christianity, and if people feel continually insulted [ I don't ], perhaps they should
discuss among themselves [ there are many Catholics on this forum ] in a sub-forum.

 

[Cino]

There are many different sects of Christianity, and if people feel continually insulted [ I don't ], perhaps they should
discuss among themselves [ there are many Catholics on this forum ] in a sub-forum.

If you notice you offended someone, there is always the option to apologize and refrain from repeat performance.

As a non-Christian, I tread lightly when discussing intra-Christian disputes, or disputes among Muslims, or Buddhists... you get the picture. No-one likes outsiders taking sides in a family argument.

 

[RJM]

For those of us not familiar, what is the New Covenant? Which obligations are kept to honor it, by each side?

God's no longer out there and remote, but demonstrative and immediate: Emmanuel -- God with us. As a man. The living Christ. Demonstrative. Even to death on the cross. Bridge between man and God. Cutting throats of animals or banging my head against the floor until I get a callous on my forehead isn't doing anything? Not anymore?

Observance by Catholics in trying to imitate the life of Christ, and ritually in the sacraments, including the Eucharist

 

[RJM]

There are many different sects of Christianity,

This is quite well understood and you are just insulting everybody's intelligence here, imo

have eaten black pudding from the North of England [ it's a sausage made with pigs blood ],
but I find the idea repulsive these days

Why did you post this in a thread about the Blood of Christ? Your Freudian slip is showing, you see ...

 

[muhammad_isa]

Cutting throats of animals or banging my head against the floor until I get a callous on my forehead isn't doing anything?

If you are trying to upset me, you are not succeeding.
I find that quite amusing, actually

 

[muhammad_isa]

Why did you post this in a thread about the Blood of Christ?

OK .. I get it. You don't want me to "argue against" anything to do with the eucharist.
Were you looking for replies from Catholics about this topic?
..or were you just "thinking out loud"?

..or were you expecting me to say something that you didn't like and start an argument.
I can't be sure..

 

[RJM]

OK .. I get it. You don't want me to "argue against" anything to do with the eucharist.

No.
I was asking why you needed to bring up the subject of pig's blood sausage?

 

[RJM]

Just leave it.

When I find myself in times of trouble mother Mary comes to me, there will be an answer: let it be

 

[muhammad_isa]

No-one likes outsiders taking sides in a family argument.

That's true .. sigh
I suppose I will have to wait until I die before I find out who my family is.
I seem to get flack from all sides.

Black, white, Muslim, Christian etc. etc.

 

[juantoo3]

The Roman Catholic Church teaches that in the Eucharistic offering bread and wine are changed into the body and blood of Christ. The affirmation of this doctrine was expressed, using the word "transubstantiate", by the Fourth Council of the Lateran in 1215. It was later challenged by various 14th-century reformers, John Wycliffe in particular.
- wiki -

Hmm .. I'm not sure that I want to eat meat at all any more. Save the planet .. become vegan.
..and I'm certainly not interested in drinking blood of any description.

Just when I thought there was hope...

How many times to go over this? Even to have you admit you understand, only to revert to this scandalous deliberate sacrilege?

This has been explained to you, I personally know of at least 3 different occasions. Yet you persist? There is none so ignorant as one who chooses to remain ignorant.

If for no other reason than respect, why can you not refrain at least on the Christianity board? And you are a moderator?

So by your example, the example you show right here in this thread, you are telling people it is OK to go to the Islam board and profane Islam and Muslims...it's OK, I'm just exercising my freedom of speech (and my self loathing). I have a right to believe all Muslims are devil worshippers, and more important the right to say so on the Islam board - by your example.

For a religion of love, it sure has a VERY difficult time showing it. It is rare indeed in my experience to find a Muslim who doesn't exude hatred.

 

[juantoo3]

That's true .. sigh
I suppose I will have to wait until I die before I find out who my family is.
I seem to get flack from all sides.

Black, white, Muslim, Christian etc. etc.

You bring it on yourself. I think you do it intentionally. I don't pity a person who does such things intentionally.

 

[muhammad_isa]

You bring it on yourself. I think you do it intentionally. I don't pity a person who does such things intentionally.

I'm sorry if you find this offensive, but I really do think this is about identity.
My name is Muhammad Isa, and I'm a Christian who found out about the Qur'an and believe that too.
I was advised to change my name by deed-poll so that I would be able to go on a pilgrimage.
I don't regret it. I have learnt a lot about other people's prejudice. If that's what it takes.

So by your example, the example you show right here in this thread, you are telling people it is OK to go to the Islam board and profane Islam and Muslim..

I assume you're from a Catholic background. All three of you seem to think that you own the Christian board.

It's only your perception that I'm profaning Christian beliefs. I'm well aware of why.
It's all about majorities. If the majority of Christians didn't consider the eucharist,
sacred, then it would just be a case of profaning Catholics, but because you are in a majority,
you think it's OK to throw your weight around and claim that "it is Christianity".

It's no different to sunni Muslims claiming their particular flavour of belief is Islam,
on the Islam forum. That's why I think that there should be a "Catholic sub-forum", so
we don't keep continually having this problem.

You may say that "it's only me" causing the problem, but maybe other Christians don't
feel comfortable on this site.
eg. Jehovah's witness, unitarians, methodists etc.

 

[muhammad_isa]

I was asking why you needed to bring up the subject of pig's blood sausage?

Well, what is the title of the thread?
I see the word "blood". I'm discussing blood !

My Christian background does not include making a big thing about the eucharist, despite being C of E.
My father in law was "Welsh chapel" [ non-conformist ]

By law and social custom, Nonconformists were restricted from many spheres of public life – not least, from access to public office, civil service careers, or degrees at university – and were referred to as suffering from civil disabilities.
- wiki -

..and on and on and on.

That's right .. I'm a non-conformist. Thank G-d !

 

[juantoo3]

DONNING MY MODERATOR TIARA

To me, the idea of interfaith dialog is to have a conversation, between followers of different world views, exploring the common points as well as the differences, in a respectful manner.

I feel strongly that statements like, "How can anyone believe XYZ, I can't get my head around that" are against the spirit of respectfully discussing differences in belief or point of view.

I also feel that retreating into mutually exclusive subforums to only discuss one's own faith is a rather dull, unimaginative solution to the challenge of interfaith dialogue.

The question of what a Christian feels when taking the Eucharist is a good interfaith topic, in my opinion. We are all here voluntarily. We are entitled to ask questions (respectfully) but we are not entitled to demand answers.

TAKING MOD TIARA OFF

Thank you for your attention and consideration.

I realize a lot of things have changed over the years. However, the original remit per Brian was for the individual faith boards to be "safe" zones for that faith, that questions from outside of that faith should tread lightly and with respect.

That is why the more general boards were created, to allow the interaction between faiths, exploring similarities and differences.

Wil, Thomas and Phyllis can all attest to this, and it is the way I continue to treat the board. That is why, for example, the history of Christianity is on the history board, so as not to be in the face of Christians, making it easier to respectfully disengage if someone is uncomfortable with the subject matter.

 

[juantoo3]

Nah...prejudice is "pre"-judging. There is absolutely nothing "pre" about my assessment of you.

You are a hater. I have met only one Muslim in my lifetime who wasn't. And just like a Muslim, start sh!t and then whine and cry when someone dishes it back.

Funny how all other faiths around here find ways to respectfully deal with each other. Islam can't because Islam won't, Islam doesn't want to play nice.

 

[wil]

Why do you think?
What do you think about creating a "Catholic" sub-forum?
..or do you want to continue playing games at dominating the Christian board?

It's your website .. do as you wish.

Christian sandbox dude. You left Christianity and decided you wanted to join another religion and argue and Nuance over there.

So feel free to discuss the differences between Shiite and Sunni thoughts on the blood of Christ in the Muslim section. That's my opinion. It appears to me you are out of line and you know it

 

[Cino]

realize a lot of things have changed over the years. However, the original remit per Brian was for the individual faith boards to be "safe" zones for that faith, that questions from outside of that faith should tread lightly and with respect.

That arrangement makes sense. Thanks!

 

[RJM]

There were a lot more people when Brian was here, with more need for separate areas. The site is much smaller now and threads may cross lines a bit more, imo

However a reasonable sensitivity towards the beliefs of others should be a standard common courtesy.

Comparing the sacramental blood of Christ to pig's blood sausage is deliberate insulting provocation wherever you go. He has not apologised, in fact:

Well, what is the title of the thread?
I see the word "blood". I'm discussing blood !

Disgraceful conduct, and clear breach of our CoC imo

 

[muhammad_isa]

I realize a lot of things have changed over the years. However, the original remit per Brian was for the individual faith boards to be "safe" zones for that faith, that questions from outside of that faith should tread lightly and with respect.

See post #32

You claim Christianity and Catholicism are one and the same. That is NOT true!
That is the past, I'm glad to say.
It's not that I dislike Catholicism or Catholics..
..but I DO dislike majorities bullying others with different viewpoints!

 

[muhammad_isa]

Christian sandbox dude. You left Christianity and decided you wanted to join another religion..

That is how you think. You are trying to say that Muslims and Christians are "miles apart" and are
completely different religions. They are not.

I do not consider that I have "left Christianity". It all depends what your definition of Christianity is.
..and mine is not yours i..e. Roman creed

They only become mutually exclusive when people claim that "Islam is this particular flavour" or
"Christianity is that particular flavour".

That is where all the enmity in the world arises. People's arrogance and non-scriptural dogma.