Our Society is Sick

Ella S.

Ella S.

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I see the deep, black scar on our community.

People unsatisfied with their lot, empty egoists who need to take, take, take.

People running from themselves, seeking nothing but higher highs on an endless hedonic treadmill.

People that can't be happy because they need to be the best. The richest, the most famous, and then there will always be a bigger fish.

Our society pushes this on people. It creates all of these fake "needs" and tries to sell us that they're the only way we can find fulfillment and contentment. It rewards the hollowest of us who are willing to sacrifice everything, even their own humanity, for their own selfish greed and hedonism.

Cooperation and sacrifice have become dirty words to people who might be too far gone. All of the compassion in the world might be too little, too late. And we rip each other further apart.
 
Ella S. said:
I see the deep, black scar on our community.
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Hello Ella......
I don't know where you live, I live near Canterbury, Kent, England.
I don't think that there has ever been an unscarred, completely beautiful community here, ever.
And when I try to perceive an unbroken, clean, unscarred and cohesive community my mind jumps to the stories that I have heard about North American Indian communities that might qualify. But the absolutely first community that comes to mind is the one that was secure, safe, lawful, encompassing and cohesive, and that was the one that would have been built by the laws of Moses, all 613 of them.

I don't think that the Israelites were built by being so much religious, as by following those laws, whosoever wrote them.

But many of them were deserted and 'sure enough' the people started to go wrong, break up, fail, lose and reduce. But all the time that every law was obeyed then that community was going to thrive. People immediately pick a favourite law which to them seems strange in their hopes of trashing the lot, but that might be difficult if the right person is there to answer these.....maybe.... :)

I don't believe that all those laws would be necessary today because we have new information and ability in some areas, but back then the laws fitted exactly.

Today? This isn't aimed at you, the OP, OK? Everybody points somewhere else to moan about the situation. It's everybody else that is mucked up. But it isn't. The person who has found contentment, peace and some happiness can be found, but they won't be blaming everybody else for the mucked up world that we live in.
 
badger said:
The person who has found contentment, peace and some happiness can be found, but they won't be blaming everybody else for the mucked up world that we live in.
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The biblical prophets certainly seemed less than entirely content and happy... even Moses.
 
Just too many people. That's the problem, imo
 
RJM said:
Just too many people. That's the problem, imo
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It's the evil ones that ruin it all. An abundance of good people is majestic. Just imagine what progress could be made! The very Kingdom of God (of goodness) could be brought down from heaven; a powerful roaring thunder that turns all wrong things right. Ah...yet they murdered beautiful Jesus.
 
wil said:
I hear what you say but.is there a time in recorded.history anywhere which your commentary does not apply?
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True..... I live in a good community...when compared with other eras that I know about.
True....... Most humans sure do want more....of everything....all the time. And they sure do moan about their lot.
 
The universe-condition, of capitalism is a permanence-logistic in disguise. What do I mean, by permanence-logistic?

By permanence-logistic, I mean that capitalism is a scientific method of unification, wherein the science of awareness is that socialism creates the trivial physics annoyance.

However: where does the origin of this dynamic lie?

Assuming that capitalism is a secret ally, of socialism, who is the creator of this dynamic?

Moreover, what are the precise details of the universe, given this dynamic?

So that technology and trivial physics can be united, in the end, the creator of this dynamic will have honoured the capitalism process by being a secret evil of technology


I am bound by Linda Hamilton, and by my brother, Michael T Cullen.
 
badger said:
Today? This isn't aimed at you, the OP, OK? Everybody points somewhere else to moan about the situation. It's everybody else that is mucked up. But it isn't. The person who has found contentment, peace and some happiness can be found, but they won't be blaming everybody else for the mucked up world that we live in.
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I know you said that this isn't aimed at me but I still want to respond to this part.

I'm not convinced that we should find peace and contentment when there are so many problems that still need to be solved and people who need to be saved if "peace and contentment" means that we're no longer allowed to admit that there are problems and no longer care to try to fix them.

I don't think peace means that we put our fingers in our ears and pretend that everything is okay when it isn't. I think real peace comes from acceptance, not denial.
 
Cino said:
The biblical prophets certainly seemed less than entirely content and happy... even Moses.
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RJM said:
Just too many people. That's the problem, imo
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Seems when it was Cain and Abel it was too many.

The Buddhist concept of life is suffering (I don't claim to know it fully) comes to mind...

Me thinks it is perspective.

I don't think fish complain about being wet.

Maybe they do.

Like we do about weather...what sense does that make?
 
wil said:
The Buddhist concept of life is suffering (I don't claim to know it fully) comes to mind...
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The first Noble Truth is "The Noble Truth of Suffering", or paraphrased, "Suffering is something you can be absolutely sure of", a bit like the proverb about death and taxes. But life is not all death and taxes, and neither is it all suffering, in Buddhism.
 
Cino said:
The first Noble Truth is "The Noble Truth of Suffering", or paraphrased, "Suffering is something you can be absolutely sure of", a bit like the proverb about death and taxes. But life is not all death and taxes, and neither is it all suffering, in Buddhism.
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But it is part and parcel of it eh?

Can we avoid weather?
 
wil said:
But it is part and parcel of it eh?
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Sure. However, it is one of my pet peeves when the first noble truth is misrepresented ;)

Can we avoid weather?
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Some people live in very pleasant climates and not be bothered by the weather.
 
From a Buddhist dictionary (my emphasis):

The term dukkha is not limited to painful experience, but refers to the unsatisfactory nature and the general insecurity of all conditioned phenomena which, on account of their impermanence, are all liable to suffering, and this includes also pleasurable experience. Hence 'unsatisfactoriness' or 'liability to suffering' would be more adequate renderings, if not for stylistic reasons. Hence the first truth does not deny the existence of pleasurable experience, as is sometimes wrongly assumed. This is illustrated by the following text:

"If there were no satisfaction to be found in the world, beings would not be attached to the world .... If there were no misery to be found in the world, beings would not be repelled by the world .... If there were no escape from the world, beings could not escape therefrom" (A. 111, 102).
 
Cino said:
The first Noble Truth is "The Noble Truth of Suffering", or paraphrased, "Suffering is something you can be absolutely sure of", a bit like the proverb about death and taxes. But life is not all death and taxes, and neither is it all suffering, in Buddhism.
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Do you see any overlap between dukkha and Schopenhauerian Pessimism?
 
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