What do you think that 'Sharia' is?

Taken from historyhouse:

At Trafalgar (1805), more than 18,000 sailors and marines fought on the British side. At The National Archives, data from ships' musters, survey returns, pensioners' records and certificates of service (not always accurate), gives an indication of multi-national crews.

Apart from English, Welsh and Scottish, the Irish were by far the largest contingent with (all figures approximate) 3573 men. There were 361 Americans. Swedes (78), Norwegians (25), Prussians (23), Russians (9), Maltese (25), and Italians (115). Curiously, 20 French, and 8 Spanish. And 5 Austrians.
From Canada, particularity Newfoundland and Nova Scotia, 31. 17 listed as born in Africa. 123 from the West Indies, probably former slaves, now free men and sailors. In Denis Dighton's painting 'The Fall of Nelson' (1825), a black sailor is among those gathered round Horatio.

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Serving in the navy was brutal – Churchill is supposed to have called it a life of 'rum, sodomy and the lash', whereas earlier common sailings were 'wine, women and song' when ashore, and 'rum, bum and bacca' at sea. I prefer the equally old 'rum, bum and concertina', but then I gave up smoking!

In popular culture the 'Press Gang' (The Impress Service) was notorious – the law still stands, btw, so be careful at UK seaside resorts! Actually, they preferred sailors to pressing civilians, as the former don't need training.

Naval ships could stop and take crews off merchant vessels to make up their shortages, which is tragic if after months, even years at sea, you're homeward bound, in sight of the White Cliffs, and you get taken off your ship by a naval vessel going out to service in the South Atlantic or the disease-infested West Indies.

Basically, any man who could sail was worth his ration, so the Navy picked up sailors all round the world – the Archive does not include the Far East, but I know from other records China, India and 'the Malays' were also represented.

Possible nonsense:

I've heard that a sailor's gold earring was enough to ensure him a decent burial if he made it home (at sea was a bit more ad-hoc).

I've also heard that a tattoo triggers the body's defence mechanisms, which co-incidentally made him less prone to infection when visiting foreign climes.
 
Terrifying naval war
 
I have often heard the rubbish about 'Islamic Gangs' controlling parts of the UK and enacting 'Sharia'. Once spread around this got repeated and repeated ....parroted, and became the focus of shivering fear amongst many people who have never bothered to discover more.

Many years ago (circa 1989) I watched a particularly nasty person stealing cosmetics from a retail store in Lewisham; when he left the store loaded with a few hundred quid's worth of unpaid goods I stopped him, explained who I was and invited him to return to store with me....that's a standard 'entrée' to gauge everything about a thief. This one threw down his shoulder bag, drew out a very nasty switchblade and slashed at my face and as I jumped back he turned and ran. He got a a few hundred yards in to a back street area and I was flagging....never was any kind of distance runner, and as I cleared yet another street corner, there he was, flat on his face with a very big mid-eastern guy sitting upon him and chatting with several others, all stood around. As I approached they demanded info. I told them who I was, what I was, operating for whom, and what I had just seen, etc.
They offered to help this thief to return to the store, where we waited for the police to attend.
On the way back.........
Who the hell are you lot?
Elver--- Sharia, man! (I can't remember the whole name)
Sadly the store manager would not let these young men, the detainers, come to the canteen for a coffee, or anything. He was yer actual Brit Bigot, I'm sad to say, and I couldn't offer hospitality because it wasn't my store and I had to go to the Police Station to write a statement.

Where I live there are thousands and thousands of groups who deter crime and uphold the law where they live. 99% of these are called 'Neighbourhood Watch'.... and there are some others, like the Elver--- Sharia.

Where I live, anybody can form a group to walk the streets, or watch, or help...to deter crime and keep the law. Back in 1989 anybody could arrest anybody for a long list of petty crimes and misdemeanours but now we can only detain offenders for more serious offences, you see, some idiot wrote legislation to reduce the powers of ordinary people trying to keep the law, probably because they had heard stories like the above, only with lies sewn in to the fabric of the stories..,.,... like sharia-is-always-bad.

Where do you live? Do groups of people patrol together to deter crime where you live?

So.......,. tell me what you've heard about Sharia.
Let's see if it's all true.

Shariah is not one. It's just like "law" or "legislation". It's as generic as just saying "regulation" which will change based on where you are. It's just a generic word. People who talk about it are just randomly using it for whatever reason they have. The actual law or jurisprudence is called Fikh in Islamic tradition and that too is malleable. And some people exploit it, while others exegete it.

I have lived in a few places around the world for various purposes like education and work. I of course have never come across these gangs and groups going around like that but I have heard that in England there are some areas where you do see this. Even in these occasions, there maybe different types of people. One gang maybe just dumb and another quite decent. I remember in cali all the streets go moot by 7 PM in one area and the only group you will see is this vigilante group of men who patrol to protect the area, and I think they did a good job.

So I guess nothing can be generalised to anyone.
 
More like 'dharma' in Indian religions?
Does Sarai (Inn) derives from the same root? Stop/Resting place on "path"/"path to water"?
Probably 'Sarayu' (Name of River) has the same root - "flows calmly" (Aryan name for Herat River) :)
 
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Shariah is not one.
Not one......what?
It's just like "law" or "legislation". It's as generic as just saying "regulation" which will change based on where you are.
Yes
It's just a generic word. People who talk about it are just randomly using it for whatever reason they have. The actual law or jurisprudence is called Fikh in Islamic tradition and that too is malleable. And some people exploit it, while others exegete it.
Yeah...Like our 'Law' and 'Legislation' I guess.
I have lived in a few places around the world for various purposes like education and work. I of course have never come across these gangs and groups going around like that but I have heard that in England there are some areas where you do see this. Even in these occasions, there maybe different types of people.
So you read my post. which explained that.
One gang maybe just dumb and another quite decent. I remember in cali all the streets go moot by 7 PM in one area and the only group you will see is this vigilante group of men who patrol to protect the area, and I think they did a good job.

So I guess nothing can be generalised to anyone.
So what did that have anything to do with what I wrote?
 
What language is that?
Hindi/Urdu, probably Persian too.
Checked, not in Persian.
"Sarai (also transcribed as Saraj or Saray, from Persian sarāy, "mansion" or "court") was the name of possibly two cities near the lower Volga, that served successively as the effective capitals of the Golden Horde, a Turco-Mongol kingdom which ruled much of Northwestern Asia and Eastern Europe, in the 13th and 14th centuries. There is considerable disagreement among scholars about the correspondence between specific archaeological sites and the various references to Sarāy, Sarāy-i Bātū ("the Sarai of Batu"), Sarāy-i Barka ("the Sarai of Berke"), Sarāy al-Jadīd ("New Sarai"), and Sarāy al-Maḥrūsah ("Sarai Blessed [by God]") in the historical sources." Wikipedia
 
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Hindi/Urdu, probably Persian too.
Checked, not in Persian.
"Sarai (also transcribed as Saraj or Saray, from Persian sarāy, "mansion" or "court") was the name of possibly two cities near the lower Volga, that served successively as the effective capitals of the Golden Horde, a Turco-Mongol kingdom which ruled much of Northwestern Asia and Eastern Europe, in the 13th and 14th centuries. There is considerable disagreement among scholars about the correspondence between specific archaeological sites and the various references to Sarāy, Sarāy-i Bātū ("the Sarai of Batu"), Sarāy-i Barka ("the Sarai of Berke"), Sarāy al-Jadīd ("New Sarai"), and Sarāy al-Maḥrūsah ("Sarai Blessed [by God]") in the historical sources." Wikipedia

I don't know if there is any relationship between cross languages when it comes to this word Sarai. Could be. I am not educated on that. All kinds of languages have relationships in languages so I can't say this way or that way.

What I can say is that in Arabic it's Sheen, not Sadh. Sheen, Ra, Ain. Root word Sharaa.

Yet, I don't know these other languages or the study of linguistic relationships between these languages. So good question, but maybe someone who knows that subject can enlighten us.
 
I have often heard the rubbish about 'Islamic Gangs' controlling parts of the UK and enacting 'Sharia'. Once spread around this got repeated and repeated ....parroted, and became the focus of shivering fear amongst many people who have never bothered to discover more.

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So.......,. tell me what you've heard about Sharia.
Let's see if it's all true.

On "Sharia Contollers", from Switzerland: There are some people who want to play the police among Muslims. It depends a lot on the community. Most communities here are bound to a country of origin (Turkey, Bosnia, Kosovo/Albania) and serve as a cultural meeting point, more (Turkey) or less (otheres) supported and controlled by the home country. I can't say much about them because I don't understand their language. For the rest of the (Arabic/German) Sunni communities, there are those who run the "club" on their own (like my community) or get support and imam from Arabia, who preaches the strict Sharia from there, in a way that alienates the members from the common (mainly Christian or secular) society and easily declare believers kafir, but there are no Gangs walking around (they would be detained and sentenced).

IMO, Sharia may mean either the Guidance/Law of God by itself, or the ruling that scholars have declared likely to conform the Will of God.

Neither the first, nor the second would support private "Sharia contollers"
- If it is from God - who are they to judge over others?
- If it is the elaborated ruling, only authorised judges may judge, and they may only apply undisputed law.
 
More like 'dharma' in Indian religions?
Does Sarai (Inn) derives from the same root? Stop/Resting place on "path"/"path to water"?
Probably 'Sarayu' (Name of River) has the same root - "flows calmly" (Aryan name for Herat River) :)
After reading the Wikipedia article on Dharma, I think Sharia is quite similar to that in the context of Islam. It is the ruling concerning good practice in religion.

It differs from Dharma in that, based not only on the Quran but also on the numerous traditions (ahadit), scholars have deduced a whole legal system, comprising civil and penalty law which served as the only legislation from the 9th century CE until the 19th century. If the discussion comes on Sharia today, it's mainly about whether or not this legal system. But initially, it concerned mainly religious practices and social convention.

I don't think that Sarai has the same root. It's derived from an Arabic root meaning "origin", meant to originate from God.
 
Yet, I don't know these other languages or the study of linguistic relationships between these languages. So good question, but maybe someone who knows that subject can enlighten us.
IMHO, there is not much relationship between Arabic/Semitic languages and Persian/Urdu/Hindi/Sanskrit. They belong to different families. Though Persian/Urdu/Hindi have many words borrowed from Arabic because of Muslim influence.
 
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After reading the Wikipedia article on Dharma, I think Sharia is quite similar to that in the context of Islam. It is the ruling concerning good practice in religion.

I don't think that Sarai has the same root. It's derived from an Arabic root meaning "origin", meant to originate from God.
Dharma is not related to religion in Hinduism (actually there is no equivalent of religion in Hinduism), it is plainly once duties in life. You too have your dutites (dharma) according to what your society or religion considers as correct.

In Hinduism, 'dharma' is not given by any God or Goddess or a book, it even predates all of them. The Gods and Goddesses have their own 'dharma' and are supposed to follow that. If they err, they get punished for it. Lord Rama had to undergo austerities because of killing Ravana.

Tungnath, where Lord Rama underwent austerities. Rama's stone on the top of the peak.
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