Killing Christians In Nigeria

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IMO there should be international condemnation from Muslim states, instead of excuses about historical colonial oppression

Did I miss the condemnation of Christians killing Muslims?

Again...religious wars have been going on forever (as have secular ones). Not to make light of any of it, I am willing to openly condemn any murder...even under the guise of retribution.

Eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind comes to mind.

but pointing out one at fault without acknowledging wrong doing on both sides is doing wrong imo.

i fully realize your alignment with the church puts you on one side of this issue... but this is like a used car salesmen complaining that everyone talks bad about used car salesmen. Or clowns whining quit calling politics a circus. We all take things personally. But if we cant step back and look at the big picture...we are taking part in fomenting violence.

forgive 70x 7? Surely there is something in religious texts thT guides us as to how to act?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...istians-20-years-after-srebrenica-massacre-2/

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/mayweb-only/5-3-32.0.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/afric...muslim-travellers-was-prearranged-2021-08-15/
 

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Did I miss the condemnation of Christians killing Muslims?

Again...religious wars have been going on forever (as have secular ones). Not to make light of any of it, I am willing to openly condemn any murder...even under the guise of retribution.

Eye for an eye leaves the whole wkrld blind comes to mind.

but pointing out one at fault without acknowledging wro g doing on both sides is doing wrong imo.

i fully realize your alignment with the church puts you on one sode of this issue... but this is like a used car salesmen complaining that everyone talks bad about used car salesmen. Or clowns whining quit calling politics a circus. We all take things personally. But if we cant step back and look at the big picture...we are taking part in fomenting violence.

forgive 70x 7? Surely there is something in religious texts thT guides us as to how to act?

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...istians-20-years-after-srebrenica-massacre-2/

https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/mayweb-only/5-3-32.0.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/afric...muslim-travellers-was-prearranged-2021-08-15/
Good links. Fresh knowledge. Thanks @wil
 

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However Islamist violence is on a far greater scale. Christian Nigerians are not safe in their land of birth and other Muslim states do not comment or condemn:

ABUJA, June 24 (Reuters) - Northeast Nigeria's conflict with Islamist insurgencies had killed nearly 350,000 people as of the end of 2020, the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP) said on Thursday.

The toll, given by the U.N. agency in a new study on the war and its impact on livelihoods, is 10 times higher than previous estimates of about 35,000 based only on those killed in fighting in Nigeria since the conflict's start 12 years ago.

The full human cost of the war is much greater," the UNDP said in a report, released with Nigeria's Ministry of Finance.

Already, many more have died from the indirect effects of the conflict," said the UNDP, citing damage to agriculture, water, trade, food and healthcare.

A Nigerian presidential spokesman declined to comment on the death toll.

Nigeria's war with Islamist insurgencies Boko Haram and Islamic State's West Africa Province has spawned one of the world's worst humanitarian crises, with millions of people dependent on aid. The conflict shows little sign of ending.

https://www.reuters.com/world/afric...gency-has-killed-almost-350000-un-2021-06-24/

Am just making people aware of a very bad situation, Imo
 
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I want to be clear...the acts are horrendous...and numerous and worldwide with some areas obvious hot spots.

It is not easy not to take sides in conflicts especially as we all have gender, sexual preferences, race, nationality, religion, etc which we naturally align.

But if we wish to see justice and less violence in the world we ourselves must resort to less name calling, blame and verbal/written tit for tat inciting others eh?

I say this only in a moment of perceived clarity which may/will change with my next post (where I hope clearer minds will ask me to cool my heels)
 
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Ok, let's be straight: on the rare occasions that 21st Century Christians kill innocents because they belong to another religion, there is an outcry of condemnation from other Christians. I do not believe the Bosnian war was mainly religious, it was ethnic. There was international outcry, followed by war crimes tribunals.

As soon as Islamic violence comes up, out comes the victim card and historical colonial justifications. Islamists are killing the Christians who live in Nigeria. It's dangerous to be a Christian in Nigeria That's the fact.

I don't know what else to say ...
 

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Spectator May 2022:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/nigeria-s-christians-are-under-attack-but-does-the-west-care-

The scene is medieval in its horror: a woman stoned, beaten and set on fire by a mob shouting 'Allahu Akbar'. But this didn't happen hundreds of years ago: it took place a week ago in Nigeria.

The victim was a Christian student named Deborah Samuel, from Sokoto in the north west of the country. Samuel's 'crime', for which she paid with her life, was to have allegedly posted a ‘blasphemous’ comment on a WhatsApp group against the prophet Mohammed.

Even in a nation riddled by decades of ethnic and religious conflict where thousands of Christians have been killed, the incident has sparked uproar. But this outrage has mostly been confined to Nigeria itself; much of the Western world turns a blind eye to the horrors unfolding in Africa.

In the last year, more Christians have been killed for their faith in Nigeria than anywhere else in the world combined. In 2021, at least 6,000 Christians died for their religion; eight in ten were Nigerians, often at the hands of jihadists ...
 

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As soon as Islamic violence comes up, out comes the victim card and historical colonial justifications. Islamists are killing the Christians who live in Nigeria. It's dangerous to be a Christian in Nigeria That's the fact.

I don't know what else to say ...

Boko Haram are also killing animists, as well as Muslims they don't like.

Modern-day Christian organizations too often come across as taking a kind of cop-out of, "we don't do that any more" without ever doing the work of fully working through their past behavior. Point in case, the Lutheran Church here in Germany, who in the Luther 500 year memorial completely suppressed any mention if his voluminous antisemitic ravings. This type of stance, in my perception, is the norm rather the exception.

And the victim card was pioneered by Christians ever since antiquity.

All that said, I find it easy to take sides against Boko Haram and Al Quaida, @wil.
 
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Modern-day Christian organizations too often come across as taking a kind of cop-out of, "we don't do that any more" without ever doing the work of fully working through their past behaviour
Because they don't do it anymore. If it happens, it is front page news, and condemned by Christians everywhere. The world was a different place 500 years ago. This is about people who are still doing it today. And in Nigeria it is aimed 90(?)% at eliminating Christians. Why the need to minimize and justify it?
 
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People rightly speak out against the killing of Rohingyas in Mynmar, and the killing of Uyghurs in China. When it comes to Christians in Nigeria, they appear to make excuses based on historical colonialism? Ignorance is one thing. I simply posted the video to make people aware of the extent of what is happening. I did not expect excuses ... anyway
 
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People rightly speak out against the killing of Rohingyas in Mynmar, and the killing of Uyghurs in China. When it comes to Christians in Nigeria, they appear to make excuses based on historical colonialism? Ignorance is one thing. I simply posted the video to make people aware of the extent of what is happening. I did not expect excuses ... anyway
Oops, pardon .me...I missed all your postings about the killing of Rohingyas in Mynmar, and the killing of Uyghurs in China.
 

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Oops, pardon .me...I missed all your postings about the killing of Rohingyas in Mynmar, and the killing of Uyghurs in China.
The thread is about Christians in Nigeria. To bring it to notice. This is an interfaith forum and Christian is not a dirty word.

Last post from me here ...
 
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Last post from me here ...

I respect that, but want to add a few thoughts, not to have the last word, but to reflect on this topic.

I feel we are discussing two very different points. One, the terrible murders of Christians being targeted by Boko Haram and Al Quaida. Two, the complexity surrounding the conduct of major Christian institutions throughout the Millennia, in particular the general reluctance of said institutions to own all of their history.

I hate it when these two get mixed up. Neither point gets appropriately addressed when that happens.

In a thousand years, when Wahabi organizations like Al Quaida and Boko Haram will have had their own history of reform and moderation, and they can rightfully, proudly point to a hundred years of "not doing this any more", I hope people will continue to point to the bloody pages of these groups' history, so the victims of today are not hushed over by those who would like history to be sanitized. To ignore one's dark side is to be controlled by it, and this is true for groups of human beings just as much as for individuals.

Solidarity with the Christians of Nigeria. Let's not forget them, or any of the victims of religious persecution.
 
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I conceive no way that people who massacre innocent men, women and children in church, because of their religion, can play the victim card ...

It's not the murderers playing the "victim card" here RJM. It's someone else making a case and if you don't agree you could of course make a case of your own. But this "victim card victim card" is not a valid argument. No offence intended.
 

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It appears to be an absolutely troubled struggling country.

Decades of lack of leadership...lead by one coup after another...the ruling family taking all the oil profits till the next moves them out.

Inflation, debt, unemployment...murders by govt and gangs has been rampant most of my life....

The areaitrouble is a victim/result of British colonization and exploitation eh?

You are right. It's the corruption that is ruining the country. As far as I have been informed, Nigeria is the richest country in the world. See, my acre of land may have gold underneath and I could be the richest man on earth because of it. But if I don't know what to do with it, i am just stupid and it's all my fault. That's whats happening to Nigeria.

But what a lot of people don't understand is that foreign forces are exploiting all the wealth Nigeria could have. None of them are doing anything good for the country. If the regime changes they will not get the benefit. No way. It's a long story and may continue for a long time.

This is a political discussion and that kind of thing is usually a back and forth waste of time.
 

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Colonization and saving the savages went hand in hand, the indigenous in the United States suffered it.

Ya can't fix the mistakes from a hundred years ago...their descendants will suffer the results for millenia
 

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I think it is insulting to independent African nations to say they have so little ability as intelligent human beings that corruption should be the normal order of government and that murdering others because they have a different religion is justified by the past actions of colonists (or of ongoing western destabilisation)
 

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IMO there should be international condemnation from Muslim states, instead of excuses about historical colonial oppression

What are the "Muslim States" that gave excuses about historical colonial oppression to the Nigerian case? Did they officially send out releases?

Please do quote if you don't mind because I would like to learn about this.
 
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