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HOMILY BY ABBOT DAVID CHARLSWORTH OF BUCKFAST ABBEY
from the Mass in thanksgiving for Her Majesty the Queen (Saturday 4th June)

The foundation of the British understanding of monarchy is seriously Christian, the coronation of a British monarch is a religious act in which spiritual power strengthens, encourages and informs the secular power of the state. In our constitutional monarchy the Queen has a responsibility to govern according to the laws and customs of her peoples and for law and justice being upheld with mercy. Spiritual power aims to assist the power to lead, to inspire and to unite, and to shape the monarch's personal character, personal conviction and personal example.

Following the coronation service the Queen said, "Throughout my life and with all my heart I shall strive to be worthy of your trust." Seventy years on, throughout her remarkably long reign, we can see that she has sought to do just that. The Queen has given this nation exceptional service. As we celebrate this platinum jubilee weekend with people all over the country, we give thanks to God for Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II.

Seventy years ago, Britain was a very different place to Britain now. Sir Winston Churchill was prime minister again, of a country still dominated by the impact of the second world war. Food rationing would not end for more than another year. The commonwealth was experiencing the strains that would lead many of its countries to independence and to the growth in the British population created by those who came to these shores from the commonwealth. Many of the conflicts and the opportunities of our world have changed.

We now feel the environmental challenge, the international threat of terrorism, the inequality of the widening gap between rich and poor, and the economic and social upheaval we currently face. Throughout her reign Queen has been steadfast, but has also shown a remarkable capacity to change with us.

The monarchy of this country, before the 16th century and after the religious upheaval of that time has had a religious role that is central to it. But a clear and explicit commitment to Christian faith does not mean an anxious or arrogant spirit that seeks to exclude the commitments of others. Instead it is a reason to be generous, to seek to exercise responsibility for the good of an entire national community, made up of very diverse parts. Our Christian faith tells us that no-one flourishes unless all flourish. Strong Christian faith should be a guarantee for the well-being of all.

John of Gaunt's speech in Shakespeare's Richard II has helped define our understanding of England: "This royal throne of kings, this scepter'd isle... This precious stone set in a silver sea... This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England". It was Shakespeare's Richard II who also articulated the humanity of kings: "I live with bread like you, feel want, taste grief, need friends". As for any family and any community, the seventy years of our Queen's reign have not all been gloriously free of personal or family difficulty. Perhaps those occasions have deepened our sympathies and respect and perhaps even our affection for the Queen and our gratitude for her devotion to duty and service.

We are celebrating this Mass of Thanksgiving for her seventy year reign on the eve of the solemnity of Pentecost, the remembrance of the divine gift of the Holy Spirit. This divine gift helps us all to make proper connections, in what we say and what we do. It will give direction to our lives in which the gifts of love and joy, truthfulness and justice are the gifts that make for better communication between people and thus create the possibility of unity among human beings who have a huge capacity to be divided and live in discord and conflict.

Guided, we pray, by the Holy Spirit, the Queen's personal Christian faith has helped to sustain her to keep faith with the commitment she made at her coronation. Today we give thanks for her steadfast example of duty to this country and its people and with affection and gratitude, we pray and acclaim:

God save the Queen.
 
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Is it time.to archive the monarchy?

How many millions.per year does England lay for pomp and circumstance? Is it worth it?

o_OYou are probably referring to Britain.
 
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The foundation of the British understanding of monarchy is seriously Christian
A few years ago there was a newspaper article about the future of the monarchy. The article was obviously pro-monarchy but was suggesting a degree of modernisation.
One point was that in consideration of our multi-cultural society the title "Defender of the Faith" be changed to "Defender of Faiths".
I was wondering @RJM if you or anybody had any feelings about this.
 
Is it time.to archive the monarchy?

How many millions.per year does England lay for pomp and circumstance? Is it worth it?
It has been worth it, to date, imo. But after the Queen has gone, I'm not sure the new bunch will be worth it.
One point was that in consideration of our multi-cultural society the title "Defender of the Faith" be changed to "Defender of Faiths".
I was wondering @RJM if you or anybody had any feelings about this.
I do @Leveller but I'm not going to voice them
 
@Leveller
Ok, for me, the Abbot sums it up here, from the OP:

The monarchy of this country, before the 16th century and after the religious upheaval of that time has had a religious role that is central to it. But a clear and explicit commitment to Christian faith does not mean an anxious or arrogant spirit that seeks to exclude the commitments of others. Instead it is a reason to be generous, to seek to exercise responsibility for the good of an entire national community, made up of very diverse parts. Our Christian faith tells us that no-one flourishes unless all flourish. Strong Christian faith should be a guarantee for the well-being of all.

The British monarchy is not a secular institution. The Queen's attendance at church services is a central part of her role. The monarchy by its nature, is bound by tradition and ritual. Perhaps that is what makes Britain different? Perhaps the question is how long the traditional monarchy can survive into the woke 21st Century?
 
It has been worth it, to date, imo

Now there is no way I can defend my govt as any kind of standard bearer on judicious budget.

But...what I am asking is what is the annual cost of the monarchy...vs education, Healthcare, whatever things matter to you?

And what has the monarchy done in the past 50 years that you consider "worth it"

I am asking these questions while watching the hearing regarding our recent attempt of a.family monarchy taking over here. I frankly could not imagine my children having to bow to queen Ivanka for decades to come.
 
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Now there is no way I can defend my govt as any kind of standard bearer on judicious budget.

But...what I am asking is what is the annual cost of the monarchy...vs education, Healthcare, whatever things matter to you?

And what has the monarchy done in the past 50 years that you consider "worth it"

I am asking these questions while watching the hearing regarding our recent attempt of a.family monarchy taking over here. I frankly could not imagine my children having to bow to queen Ivanka for decades to come.
To me the monarchy represents Britain to the world. Old Trumpie couldn't wait to have tea with the Queen: it was top of his list. I'm sure the monarchy pays for itself in terms of tourism alone. It's what people from other countries think of when they think of Britain.

Cromwell tried to do Britain without the monarchy; it didn't work out too well, did it?

But when the Queen is gone, who knows ...
 
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One point was that in consideration of our multi-cultural society the title "Defender of the Faith" be changed to "Defender of Faiths".
I was wondering @RJM if you or anybody had any feelings about this?
@Leveller
I personally could live with this change of wording*, but it is sure to be the thin edge of the wedge, to strip the monarchy of most of its tradition, which would be sad really, imo?

*It's a small nod that can only help the cause of (interfaith) peace. However the oil of annointing is sacramental, along with the rest of the coronation. It would be difficult to change to a secular monarchy, in line with early 21st Century woke?

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To me the monarchy represents Britain to the world.
I think you may well be right. I have a friend from Texas, woe betide any Brit who criticizes the monarchy to her.

I am fascinated by its flexibility. I remember being taught about the first Labour government. Apparently, they could not get their bills through parliament as the House of Lords, unsurprisingly, was a conservative stronghold.

King George V invited the socialist leader to Buckingham Palace and obtained a list of names. He then made them all lords. Problem solved, democracy saved and tradition maintained. It still makes me smile.
 
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remember being taught about the first Labour government. Apparently, they could not get their bills through parliament as the House of Lords, unsurprisingly, was a conservative stronghold.

King George V invited the socialist leader to Buckingham Palace and obtained a list of names. He then made them all lords. Problem solved, democracy saved and tradition maintained. It still makes me smile.
Beautiful ;)
 
Is it time.to archive the monarchy?

How many millions.per year does England lay for pomp and circumstance? Is it worth it?

I personally see that a Monarchy, when they are Just and compassionate, are a gift from God.

The English Monarchy was blessed by Baha'u'llah to have a long reign. It is also to be combined with the government elected by the people.

Baha'u'llah mentioned Britain as a working example of a country which had combined representation with monarchy:

"The system of government which the British people have adopted in London appeareth to be good, for it is adorned with the light of both kingship and of the consultation of the people."

Also I can offer that Bahá'u'lláh saw advantages to humanity in monarchy as well as an elected government:

"Although a republican form of government profiteth all the peoples of the world, yet the majesty of kingship is one of the signs of God. We do not wish that the countries of the world should remain deprived thereof. If the sagacious combine the two forms into one, great will be their reward in the presence of God."

So, In the Baha'i Writings it is said that it will make a comeback, and yet no one person will desire to take on the role alone as a dictatorship would.

"One of the signs of the maturity of the world is that no one will accept to bear the weight of kingship. Kingship will remain with none willing to bear alone its weight. That day will be the day whereon wisdom will be manifested among mankind". Baha'u'llah.

Time will tell.

Regards Tony
 
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Just a heads up...we like to promote discussion not tangents on grammatical or punctuation errors.
I don't have a problem with that. I do with people not bothering to learn basic history and geography. Many people find such comments insulting. If you don't believe me try going into pubs in Glasgow and Belfast and calling them English. See how long you last.
 
People from other lands may not understand the complexities of Britain, but guaranteed every person knows about the Queen
 
I don't have a problem with that. I do with people not bothering to learn basic history and geography. Many people find such comments insulting. If you don't believe me try going into pubs in Glasgow and Belfast and calling them English. See how long you last.

One planet one people please.

Regards Tony
 
Well, she is the Queen of England -- also of Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales -- also Australia, Canada and the Commonwealth ...
 
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