Reading with New Eyes, Hearing with New Ears

[RJM]

Yes it is all about choice. I also see it is not about being superior. When the sun rises each day, we do not say it is superior to the sun of yesterday.

Ok. But the implication becomes that Jews should have accepted Christianity as the new revelation, and then Christians should have accepted Islam as the new revelation? But there are major problems with this proposal

 

[RJM]

It's not really important though @Tone Bristow-Stagg I don't want to create obstacles

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Ok. But the implication becomes that Jews should have accepted Christianity as the new revelation, and then Christians should have accepted Islam as the new revelation? But there are major problems with this proposal

You are correct in that is indeed the implication, but at the same time, we know the Bible gave prophecy that this would not happen, as it talks of the end of the age Messiah that will come to unite all the sheep of God. Only God is all knowing.

This is because faith is a choice. If one does see that the Revelation of Muhammad is foretold, how would they then view that Message? Same for the Messages for the Bab and Baha'u'llah?

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

It's not really important though @Tone Bristow-Stagg I don't want to create obstacles

There no obstacles, only opportunities to embrace new frames of references.

We have the chance to learn from the history of Faith, what makes it strong and what makes it weak.

Regards Tony

 

[_Hermes_]

Theosophy says:

[9.] Before the Soul can see, the Harmony within must be attained, and fleshly eyes be rendered blind to all illusion.

[10.] Before the Soul can hear, the image (man) has to become as deaf to roarings as to whispers, to cries of bellowing elephants as to the silvery buzzing of the golden fire-fly.

-HPB, Voice of the Silence page 2

 

[RJM]

You are correct in that is indeed the implication,

A non-starter, imo -- that requires Christians to accept Islam as a new and better revelation

 

[Cino]

A non-starter, imo -- that requires Christians to accept Islam as a new and better revelation

There is an old joke, how God created the (insert followers of any post-Christian Abrahamic faith) so the Christians would know how the Jews felt...

 

[RJM]

There is an old joke, how God created the (insert followers of any post-Christian Abrahamic faith) so the Christians would know how the Jews felt...

Well, that's it: "C'mon everybody, let's all just be reasonable and see things my way"

Theosophy says:

[9.] Before the Soul can see, the Harmony within must be attained, and fleshly eyes be rendered blind to all illusion.

[10.] Before the Soul can hear, the image (man) has to become as deaf to roarings as to whispers, to cries of bellowing elephants as to the silvery buzzing of the golden fire-fly.

-HPB, Voice of the Silence page 2

Have you read 'The Secret Doctrine'? I read it through many years ago. Blavatsky is powerful.

 

[_Hermes_]

Have you read 'The Secret Doctrine'? I read it through many years ago. Blavatsky is powerful.

I study it every week in a studygroup.

 

[RJM]

I study it every week in a studygroup.

Do you find similarity with Baha’i belief?

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

A non-starter, imo -- that requires Christians to accept Islam as a new and better revelation

How about we consider that it was promised by Jesus Christ as a necessary lesson from God to enable us to embrace the Day of God.


I see Muhammad gave some important information in the Quran about the Message of Jesus the Christ.

Such is the quandaries we face.

Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

I see Muhammad gave some important information in the Quran about the Message of Jesus the Christ.

What important information?

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

[9.] Before the Soul can see, the Harmony within must be attained, and fleshly eyes be rendered blind to all illusion

Nice quotes.

"Verily I say, the world is like the vapor in a desert, which the thirsty dreameth to be water and striveth after it with all his might, until when he cometh unto it, he findeth it to be mere illusion. It may, moreover, be likened unto the lifeless image of the beloved whom the lover hath sought and found, in the end, after long search and to his utmost regret, to be such as cannot "fatten nor appease his hunger."

Bahá’u’lláh, Gleanings from the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 328-329

Regards Tony

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

What important information?

I see the Message given by Muhammad was in part given to explain the Station of Jesus the Christ in relation to God, that by then had been embraced under a teaching called the Trinity. That doctrine ended up being enforced by heresy.

This doctrine has bound many to a teaching that is not found in the Bible, if anyone says anything different, then any modern day Christian will immediately reject it without any just consideration of any other view.

That Jesus is not God, is seen as immediate blasphemy. Yet I see it is has become the most important key to acceptance of the Day of God.

Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

I see the Message given by Muhammad was in part given to explain the Station of Jesus the Christ in relation to God, that by then had been embraced under a teaching called the Trinity. That doctrine ended up being enforced by heresy.

This doctrine has bound many to a teaching that is not found in the Bible, if anyone says anything different, then any modern day Christian will immediately reject it without any just consideration of any other view.

That Jesus is not God, is seen as immediate blasphemy. Yet I see it is has become the most important key to acceptance of the Day of God.

Regards Tony

This is the Islamic view. Others differ

 

[_Hermes_]

Do you find similarity with Baha’i belief?

Don't know much about it but theosophy is a synthesis of allmost all religions, science, philosophy so I see no reason why one shouldnt be able to see similarities.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

This is the Islamic view. Others differ

That was my view.

Regards Tony

 

[RJM]

That was my view.

Regards Tony

Fair enough. It's a minefield, sure you agree.There have been several threads as you know

 

[_Hermes_]

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Fair enough. It's a minefield, sure you agree.There have been several threads as you know

I see it is a field humanity is currently traversing. When we get out the other side, we will wonder why the heck we did not work together to solve the problem and also be embarrassed to find there was a map.

Regards Tony