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I keep wanting to respond to the threads “Why do you need Jesus?” and “Did he die for our sins?” but it’s only because I see the salvation story of Christianity as part of the smoke and mirrors hiding gospel Jesus from people and repelling them away from Him, and that might not be a good reason for posting in those threads.
Smoke and mirrors aside, what is it that attracts you to Him?
The part about him being the son
Hi Longfellow. Regarding some of your opening comments, you may find the book 'Mere Christianity' by C.S. Lewis to be of value. I write this as a non-Christian but I will readily admit to finding his arguments very impressive.I'm not sure what to think of the part about him being a sacrifice for the sins of all people.
Hi Longfellow. Regarding some of your opening comments, you may find the book 'Mere Christianity' by C.S. Lewis to be of value. I write this as a non-Christian but I will readily admit to finding his arguments very impressive.
Even though this is about the Jesus in the gospels of the Christian bible, I'm posting it here because it's a non Christian or maybe even an anti-Christian view. What I see Jesus promoting in the Bible gospels is not a gospel of salvation. He himself calls it "gospel of the kingdom," not "gospel of salvation." My understanding of his gospel of the kingdom is that it's a metaphorical kingdom in which he is the king, a way for people to learn to live the best life they can in this world, and people enter it when they recognize and accept him as their lord, meaning a person to serve and obey above all others. In my understanding, that's what he wants people to know most of all, and it has nothing to do with any gospel of salvation that is being promoted by any of the Christian churches today.
The part about him being the son of God only refers to him being the one that God promised to David, saying "I will be his father, and he will be my son," and it's only part of the context for Jews to recognize him as their lord. Other people don't need to know anything about that, to recognize him as their lord, and enter his kingdom. They also don't need to believe that any of the miracles, or his resurrection, happened in any physical way. They don't even need to believe that he ever actually existed, or that God exists, to recognize him as their lord and enter his kingdom.
I'm not sure what to think of the part about him being a sacrifice for the sins of all people. That might have been invented by Paul. Even if it came from Jesus, again, no one has to believe it, to recognize him as their lord, and enter his kingdom.
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I believe the Biblical account of Jesus, who he was, why he died and all that, simply because it resonates with me and aligns with personal experiences and thoughts I had, long before ever picking up the book. Mind you, while I did grow up in a Christian household of sorts, we were not regular church goers or particularly pious. Think I'm the only one in the family ever really got into it.
Anyway, it is my beliefs regarding salvation I have trouble conveying to others. There's just no one specific thing I can point to. More a combination of thoughts, ideas and observations I've made over the years.
I guess some of it does stem from my exposure to Hindu culture and reading the Bhagavad Gita, but not entirely. When I read doctrine, I pay attention to the words, words are important, but I put more emphasis on the lesson behind the words. If that makes any sense. I think that's why Jesus taught in parables. Words get corrupted and mistranslated, but the lesson behind the words is often still there I find. In the case of the Bible though, you really have to consider it in it's entirety before the meaning of individual passages becomes clear.
I guess that doesn't really answer the question, but hopefully it will lend some insight into my mindset. Such as it is.
Now I’m thinking that it was a mistake to frame my view of what Jesus is promoting in the gospels as being opposed to Christian doctrines, because what I really want to do is promote more interest in learning to live the way Jesus says to live, and I don’t think that most Christians would think that’s opposed to their beliefs.