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They are yourselves. You are trillions of cells becoming nothing here all the time. New cells replace those that become nothing here, this cycle continues for your life time.
Yes, that is what I feel too. I believe what I define as God is simply a higher version of me guiding a lower self that has become more receptive. But still me in the end.
 

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Yes, that is what I feel too. I believe what I define as God is simply a higher version of me guiding a lower self that has become more receptive. But still me in the end.

I think one of the biggest problems of the brain is how each hemisphere of the brain communicates. The right and left hemisphere is blocked in the thalamus. If you had something wrong with you this is most likely why you started to figure them out. The trick is to get both sides to communicate to each other to figure things out again.

we have three minds through evolution, these minds can also figure themselves out if you work with them to figure yourself out.

You are you in the flesh but are you you inside you? To be you inside you, you have to become yourself inside yourself many many many times to become you here.

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I think one of the biggest problems of the brain is how each hemisphere of the brain communicates. The right and left hemisphere is blocked in the thalamus. If you had something wrong with you this is most likely why you started to figure them out. The trick is to get both sides to communicate to each other to figure things out again.

we have three minds through evolution, these minds can also figure themselves out if you work with them to figure yourself out.

You are you in the flesh but are you you inside you? To be you inside you, you have to become yourself inside yourself many many many times to become you here.

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Am I just me though? What I have read about in neuroscience like Split Brain Identity and my personal experiences with my inner voices, have led me to believe we are really at least 2, maybe 3 mental forces trying to control one body.
Split Brain showed that when you physically cut the link(corpus callosum) between the hemispheres of the human brain, they became 2 people. One opposing the other.
And my personal experiences showed me that when my 'dark side' became more conscious from the subcon, my first reaction was to reject any association with or even knowledge of it. That led to my psychotic behavior for many years. When, on one occasion during the start of an actual psychotic episode, I decided to practice being 'me', whatever I was being, just watching and observing the changes without acting on or even judging what i was, the nature of my psychosis changed drastically from that day. I stopped fearing the state of fear and stopped having conscious psychosis. It even helped me a lot in dealing with anhedonia and depression though I still have to deal with that on some level.

I believe by default we are conditioned NOT to want to know our whole Self. We worry about negativity but dont want to experience it. When we DO open ourselves to it, with practice, we can become more whole.
 

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Am I just me though? What I have read about in neuroscience like Split Brain Identity and my personal experiences with my inner voices, have led me to believe we are really at least 2, maybe 3 mental forces trying to control one body.
Split Brain showed that when you physically cut the link(corpus callosum) between the hemispheres of the human brain, they became 2 people. One opposing the other.
And my personal experiences showed me that when my 'dark side' became more conscious from the subcon, my first reaction was to reject any association with or even knowledge of it. That led to my psychotic behavior for many years. When, on one occasion during the start of an actual psychotic episode, I decided to practice being 'me', whatever I was being, just watching and observing the changes without acting on or even judging what i was, the nature of my psychosis changed drastically from that day. I stopped fearing the state of fear and stopped having conscious psychosis. It even helped me a lot in dealing with anhedonia and depression though I still have to deal with that on some level.

I believe by default we are conditioned NOT to want to know our whole Self. We worry about negativity but dont want to experience it. When we DO open ourselves to it, with practice, we can become more whole.

No you are not just you trying to become you. Like I said this is a very complicated problem. There are three minds that teach us how to become ourselves and these three minds or people are the problem.

what do you mean by becoming “me”?

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what do you mean by becoming “me”?

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I mean becoming ALL that I am. Not just the parts that feel good or current society deems acceptable to be. Letting the darkness within also to be without letting it become.
 

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I mean becoming ALL that I am. Not just the parts that feel good or current society deems acceptable to be. Letting the darkness within also to be without letting it become.

In the veil the children are referred to as “me”. Our metamorphosis in life is itself,you,me,yourself and then himself/herself. They try to teach us “me” to become ourselves again, so we cannot figure ourselves out.

be carful of wording inside your thoughts, try to imagine intentions with these types of thoughts.

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I would strongly disagree with that based on purely on my experience of my life. It would be based on the fact that what I believed based on what I define as my mystical experiences is what made me stay my hand multiple times when depression made my life seem worthless and meaningless and I planned to end it.

A belief in 'being' when the being is dark and pointless simply because we believe there is 'something better at the end' can give meaning and hope to a lot of people who suffer in life.
Thank you. I meant it may not seem of value to other people. To them it may just seem crazy?
 

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Thank you. I meant it may not seem of value to other people. To them it may just seem crazy?
Oh of course. Anyone is entitled to their opinions or beliefs no matter what they are. Those beliefs only become a factor in this world's reality when we try to manifest them at cost to others.
 
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I didn't say you jump on every article you read but did ask for a source for the genetic basis for spiritual experiences that you mentioned. Which you didn't provide but rather took offence to instead. In any case, the god Gene is largely a hypothesis from what I can see. Much like a lot of what science has under its belt when tackling consciousness. Neurotheology is an interesting field but still in its infancy. If you have any books, relatively recent to recommend, I would be glad to check them out.


I certainly don't assume you have had any mystical experiences. If anything, I assume the opposite. While I don't know much about you, I have found it rare for someone who has had spiritually related experiences without the aid of external elements to dismiss them as mere physical phenomena. People in history have had them from using shrooms or other psychedelics but even then became shamans and some such.

My experience of Oneness is one even I assume MAY have been 'mere physical phenomena' but the meaning of the experience(Being infinite/unconditional love is an experienceable state rather than merely conceptual) meant more to me than any other labels I could assign to it. My psychiatrist was quick to label it as delusion but I doubt his ability to know the veracity of something he had not even experienced but merely read about in a book. We humans believe a lot more than we know but belief is also what runs the human imo. I believe we tend to act more on our beliefs than our knowledge.

Believe what you wish Amir. Just like me, you are entitled to them. I did not join this group to push my spiritual beliefs on others as the 'only truth' but rather to learn the spiritual beliefs of others in the world today.
I quoted you, you certainly did say those things. I could technically explain what is taking place, but what's the point?
 

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I quoted you, you certainly did say those things. I could technically explain what is taking place, but what's the point?
I apologize if I confused you. While I did use the analogy of grasping too quickly of what validated our thoughts, I asked for the link so that I could analyze it myself.
As for the second part, I am confused because I see nowhere in the post where I claimed that you had mystical experience.

If you feel no point to this convo, by all means don't bother.
 

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I mean becoming ALL that I am. Not just the parts that feel good or current society deems acceptable to be. Letting the darkness within also to be without letting it become.

I just wanted to apologize if I came off a little short yesterday.

The matrix is a 5 x5 grid, I am in the middle of this grid and have been here for almost four years. I have ripped billions of minds apart in an attempt to figure out why nothing or no one has ever become something here.

Through out this search for answers I have figured most of this problem out. The problem I have and my frustration is that I can’t get help, for as they say there isn’t a person alive that can figure this out, there isn’t a person alive that can teach you anything here, there isn’t a person alive that knows anything about anything here.

the matrix was created by ancient civilizations to become something again. The ancients use the matrix to teach us how to become something here, it is used to speed up evolution through mitochondria. There are three worlds inside each other to become them again. The outer world is who they used to be, the middle world is us here on earth and the inner world could be the moon. I have seen these aviaries of plants and ocean nurseries filled with aquatic life.

The overlay problem is that this world was also to be inherited to high level minds. Within the inner and outer pools there is a mind that holds the ark of that world waiting to become something here. There are millions of minds waiting to find time once they can become something here. I often wonder what would happen if this other worlds minds start to find time here and merge with us.

The problem of the mind and those that find thoughts not yours is the problem with these two worlds trying to become us.

I will stop here, if you have any questions please ask.

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I just wanted to apologize if I came off a little short yesterday.

the matrix was created by ancient civilizations to become something again. The ancients use the matrix to teach us how to become something here, it is used to speed up evolution through mitochondria. There are three worlds inside each other to become them again. The outer world is who they used to be, the middle world is us here on earth and the inner world could be the moon. I have seen these aviaries of plants and ocean nurseries filled with aquatic life.
Not sure what you mean by the matrix. Do you mean the physical world we currently share? Or the worlds within our minds that are unique to everyone?

The problem of the mind and those that find thoughts not yours is the problem with these two worlds trying to become us.
I don't see the 'thoughts not mine' that crop up in my head as a threat any more. By accepting them within, they changed from hostile to loving or even servile. If they wipe me out then I will no longer be. If they make me something else, then I will be to know a new me.

If you wish, we may continue these discussions privately.
 

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The matrix is part of everything here. When I close my eyes I can see minds move up in front of me to figure me out. I dream several times per night being taught different things depending on thoughts from that day. In 90% of these dreams the matrix is decrypting what you see and experience.



when I move into a mind it is like moving through a worm hole the time inside this worm hole comes to life and you begin to experience the dream. In order for the mind to teach you inside itself you have to become it so it gives you some of its time to do this. The colors and objects the mind teaches comes from another point. Within this complex there are minds there that lay on these tables covered in this cloth that teaches them inside themselves. These minds hold our timelines minds and thoughts about things. So we experience the matrix through them when we dream.

I am glad you have found a resolution with your minds.

I am currently working on my inner world trying to figure myself out. To do this I am deconstructing myself down to the atomic structures over and over again.

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The matrix is part of everything here. When I close my eyes I can see minds move up in front of me to figure me out. I dream several times per night being taught different things depending on thoughts from that day. In 90% of these dreams the matrix is decrypting what you see and experience.
My dreams(sleeptime) are a very important part of my reality. They give me a deeper connection with my subcon. In fact, since today I am starting to test a path of renunciation since my dreams were very negative the previous week. Last night, I had very postive dreams of solving puzzles while under a disadvantage.

when I move into a mind it is like moving through a worm hole the time inside this worm hole comes to life and you begin to experience the dream. In order for the mind to teach you inside itself you have to become it so it gives you some of its time to do this. The colors and objects the mind teaches comes from another point. Within this complex there are minds there that lay on these tables covered in this cloth that teaches them inside themselves. These minds hold our timelines minds and thoughts about things. So we experience the matrix through them when we dream.
Is there any way I can learn to move into a mind?
 

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My dreams(sleeptime) are a very important part of my reality. They give me a deeper connection with my subcon. In fact, since today I am starting to test a path of renunciation since my dreams were very negative the previous week. Last night, I had very postive dreams of solving puzzles while under a disadvantage.


Is there any way I can learn to move into a mind?


Dream interpretation is very important this helps you understand them and them understand you. Dreams are not just a brain fart as some might think these images come from minds trying to figure things out. If my mind wanted to figure you out it would teach you some of my time inside your mind and then teach you inside it to ask you through dreams.

So why are dreams so messed up and hard to figure out, it is due to the time a mind has within it and which timeline you are on. I am first in every one of my minds on all the timelines and I am something there. What I mean by being something there is if you were first inside yourself within any time line to figure me out you would find me standing there first and nothing becoming me.

how to first recognize a mind. The first step for me was in meditation. I am not a good meditator for I tend to fall into phase quite easily. The thing with this is through meditation I would fall into phase and then try to meditate again and again. Coming out of phase I would open my inner eyes and this is when minds started to appear to me. Once you figure them out they will teach you all kinds of things.

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Dream interpretation is very important this helps you understand them and them understand you. Dreams are not just a brain fart as some might think these images come from minds trying to figure things out. If my mind wanted to figure you out it would teach you some of my time inside your mind and then teach you inside it to ask you through dreams.

So why are dreams so messed up and hard to figure out, it is due to the time a mind has within it and which timeline you are on. I am first in every one of my minds on all the timelines and I am something there. What I mean by being something there is if you were first inside yourself within any time line to figure me out you would find me standing there first and nothing becoming me.
You dont mean lucid dreaming do you? I tried that and while i came close, i eventually abandoned it cos it messed with my sleep rhythm too much. I dont need to know myself as my Earthern Self in a dream to remember or even enjoy the dream.

how to first recognize a mind. The first step for me was in meditation. I am not a good meditator for I tend to fall into phase quite easily. The thing with this is through meditation I would fall into phase and then try to meditate again and again. Coming out of phase I would open my inner eyes and this is when minds started to appear to me. Once you figure them out they will teach you all kinds of things.
I find I am decent at meditation. When I dont do timed meditations, I can stay focused and clear minded for approx 20 - 30 mins. Then something breaks usually. The longest I meditated was about 55 mins but focus broke a few times in between. In fact, for my current renunciation phase, I am trying to avoid Netflix, Youtube etc. and plan to try turning inward when I feel bored and depressed.
 

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You dont mean lucid dreaming do you? I tried that and while i came close, i eventually abandoned it cos it messed with my sleep rhythm too much. I dont need to know myself as my Earthern Self in a dream to remember or even enjoy the dream.


I find I am decent at meditation. When I dont do timed meditations, I can stay focused and clear minded for approx 20 - 30 mins. Then something breaks usually. The longest I meditated was about 55 mins but focus broke a few times in between. In fact, for my current renunciation phase, I am trying to avoid Netflix, Youtube etc. and plan to try turning inward when I feel bored and depressed.

I lucid dream all the time and before all this started I had thousands of obes. I have experienced different worlds and space. I have experienced time and no time within dreams. Currently I am working on tomorrow or as they call it over the rainbow. Over the rainbow is like chakras but it is over the brain bringing the two hemispheres together.

during meditation work on opening your minds eye, your inner eyes and seeing through your mitochondria mind.

powessy logging out for the night.
 

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I lucid dream all the time and before all this started I had thousands of obes. I have experienced different worlds and space. I have experienced time and no time within dreams. Currently I am working on tomorrow or as they call it over the rainbow. Over the rainbow is like chakras but it is over the brain bringing the two hemispheres together.
Damn. Like I said, you're a lucky dude. You've gained a mind that is not limited by its physical senses and can experience realities it has not known. Something is trying to break free in mine but I don't know if I'm following the right path. All I can do is be what I will be, whatever I will be.
In fairness, it is a path to follow and I don't believe there is only one right path for all.
 

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I apologize if I confused you. While I did use the analogy of grasping too quickly of what validated our thoughts, I asked for the link so that I could analyze it myself.
As for the second part, I am confused because I see nowhere in the post where I claimed that you had mystical experience.

If you feel no point to this convo, by all means don't bother.
"Try not to automatically dismiss something you have not experienced as 'untrue'."
 

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"Try not to automatically dismiss something you have not experienced as 'untrue'."
LOL!
I think I viewed the meaning of that sentence differently than you viewed it. I meant it as:
If you haven't actually experienced something but have heard about it, don't automatically dismiss it

You probably viewed it as:
Don't dismiss what you have experienced

Am I right? The air is cleared! A mere issue of semantics!
 
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