The Big Lie

[Thinking required]

The big lie that put the world into sin, “Did God really say”. Just look at all the different religions in the world and even within religions there is discord and fraction. Christianity, how many different denominatons, cults. Islam, broken into 2 major fractions. Catholism, splintered in beliefs. But yet everyone believes that they have the truth. “Did God really say”. Questioning God, Job was taken to the wood shed over this. All I am concerned with is, “Did God really say”. How about you?

 

[Cino]

"To love God truly, one must first love man. And if anyone tells you that he loves God and does not love his fellow-man, you will know that he is lying." ~ Martin Buber

 

[Thinking required]

To love God truly, one must first love man. And if anyone tells you that he loves God and does not love his fellow-man, you will know that he is lying." ~ Martin Buber

The majority of mankind is lazyminded, incurious, absorbed in vanities, and tepid in emotion, and is therefore incapable of either much doubt or much faith.”​

— T. S. Eliot

But I do agree with your quote. We are commanded to love everyone. We certainly will not love everyone because we desire to, just because we are commanded to. Most people are just hard to love.

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

The big lie that put the world into sin, “Did God really say”. Just look at all the different religions in the world and even within religions there is discord and fraction. Christianity, how many different denominatons, cults. Islam, broken into 2 major fractions. Catholism, splintered in beliefs. But yet everyone believes that they have the truth. “Did God really say”. Questioning God, Job was taken to the wood shed over this. All I am concerned with is, “Did God really say”. How about you?

The answer is actually a simple concept. There is only One God and humanity is one human race.

On God, One Faith, a faith born from all of God's Names and Attributes.

If we reject One of God's given Faiths, we actually reject them all.

That is why Jesus said that by the Fruit you will know a true Prophet, and by their prophecies.

Regards Tony

 

[Cino]

I think Buber and Eliot both expressed this admirably. I like modernist poetry a lot.

 

[Thinking required]

If we reject One of God's given Faiths, we actually reject them all.

this is where you completely go off the rails.

 

[Thinking required]

That is why Jesus said that by the Fruit you will know a true Prophet, and by their prophecies.

Where did Jesus say this? "fruit" is always associated with a believer and how they live.

 

[TheLightWithin]

this is where you completely go off the rails.

Interesting. How so?

 

[Tony Bristow-Stagg]

Where did Jesus say this? "fruit" is always associated with a believer and how they live.

Mathew 7 at verse 15 indicates it is taking about how we can recognise a true or false Prophet, that is the context it is given in.

This also reflects our faith in acceptance of the Messengers.

Many people elevate themselves to the level of prophecy by thinking they have the power of interpretation, Mathew 7 hoes on ro indicate it is those people that become the bad fruit, as only God sends the Messengers.

Regards Tony

 

[Faithfulservant]

I think he meant to say Test the Spirits to know false prophets. If they err in one small thing they cannot be considered a prophet of God. Fruits is how we recognize other believers.. we are to know them by their fruits. The fruits of the Spirit are Love Joy Peace Patience Kindness Gentleness and Self Control.

 

[Faithfulservant]

"To love God truly, one must first love man. And if anyone tells you that he loves God and does not love his fellow-man, you will know that he is lying." ~ Martin Buber

A test of Love would be.. loving Judas.. how about that . Loving the man that betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Anyone can love a loveable person.. how about living the worst of humanity.. can you love them? I'm always reminded of this when I hear stories about mothers murdering their children..

 

[wil]

A test of Love would be.. loving Judas.. how about that . Loving the man that betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Anyone can love a loveable person.. how about living the worst of humanity.. can you love them? I'm always reminded of this when I hear stories about mothers murdering their children..

Without judas...where would we be...

Treasurer? Jesus obviously trusted him

And then told him to proceed...

All part of the plan...ya gotta love him.

In Unity Judas represents the power of life...

 

[TheLightWithin]

A test of Love would be.. loving Judas.. how about that . Loving the man that betrayed Jesus for 30 pieces of silver. Anyone can love a loveable person.. how about living the worst of humanity.. can you love them? I'm always reminded of this when I hear stories about mothers murdering their children..

Lots of people are hard to love... some of what makes it more possible is framing love as behaving in loving ways, and thinking in terms of "everyone deserves kindness" even though the feeling of love may be hard to access... nurses doctors paramedics therapists having a duty of care... their professional ethics can be a behavioral guide to loving the difficult...

 

[TheLightWithin]

Without judas...where would we be...

Treasurer? Jesus obviously trusted him

And then told him to proceed...

All part of the plan...ya gotta love him.

In Unity Judas represents the power of life...

I had forgotten that from my time at Unity
But yes, Judas, Pharoah, others... God worked through them.

 

[Faithfulservant]

I had forgotten that from my time at Unity
But yes, Judas, Pharoah, others... God worked through them.

It's true . All throughout scripture we see it. God is amazing.. that's why I put my trust in Him.. He even has all the minute details down of my life.. I see it time and again.

 

[Cino]

Lots of people are hard to love... some of what makes it more possible is framing love as behaving in loving ways, and thinking in terms of "everyone deserves kindness" even though the feeling of love may be hard to access...

I think Western culture tends to idealize romantic love ("being/having fallen in love", the brain awash with serotonine, oxytocin, dopamine, endorphins) to such an extent that it often eclipses other modes of love.

Being in love is a feeling, but commitment, which is an indispensible part of love, is not a feeling but a way to act.

 

[Thinking required]

Interesting. How so?

This assumes that there many ways to God. the plural here "faiths". Yes, everyone deals in a faith of some sort. But there is according to Scripture, only one Faith.

 

[Thinking required]

Mathew 7 at verse 15 indicates it is taking about how we can recognise a true or false Prophet, that is the context it is given in.

OK, but this is a translation. "fruit" = what they do. Mostly the word fruit is connected to the believer.

 

[Thinking required]

Lots of people are hard to love... some of what makes it more possible is framing love as behaving in loving ways, and thinking in terms of "everyone deserves kindness" even though the feeling of love may be hard to access... nurses doctors paramedics therapists having a duty of care... their professional ethics can be a behavioral guide to loving the difficult...

I never knew what love was or understood what love is until I read: I has nothing to do with what I want!
4 Love is patient, love is kind, and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not arrogant, 5 does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered, 6 does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails;

New American Standard Bible, electronic edition. (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1986), 1 Co 13:4–8.

 

[Cino]

Love... 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 8 Love never fails;

there is according to Scripture, only one Faith.

How do you hold this paradox, that only belief is correct, and yet love, which is part of that one correct faith, believes "all things"?